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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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woman19 · 21/05/2019 16:24

vote on ref. Not clear if includes option to remain.

Westfacing · 21/05/2019 16:24

Is she in a huge and crowded auditorium? All that glancing up - looks very odd!

CrunchyCarrot · 21/05/2019 16:26

'All these agreements will be passed in law so they will last for this Parliament'

cough

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:26

Shame there can't be some sort of sanction for David Cameron. "You are here by charged for coming up with a criminally stupid referendum" (add your own charges as you like).

Not sure what the punishment should be?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 16:28

If the majority is there, it's reasonably straightforward to repeal domestic legislation

Hence why to make permanently binding, any CU, workers rights etc the safest method would be to include these as terms in a treaty wih the EU.

A temporary agreement until the next GE is useless, because there could be an ERG PM - or even Farage - who would probably tear up anything that interferes with the uber-wealthy having complete freedom of action in the UK

Westfacing · 21/05/2019 16:28

All those apprentices that PWC say they've taken on must be up in the gallery Hmm

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:28

It's a crap time to be alive Theresa.

Will there be thunderous applause if there are people in the balcony d'ya think?

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:28

I tried to deliver ... Don't want Boris taking over ... everyone's lucky to be alive and have me as PM ... We are supreme ...

BollocksToBrexit · 21/05/2019 16:29

The money for the NHS is back on the side of a bus. Fucking idiot.

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 16:29

So in practice MPs will be choosing a second referendum or a general election, she says.

Is that a threat or a promise?

lonelyplanetmum · 21/05/2019 16:29

She had a very unnecessary free party political broadcast there. " look at the state of Liberal Democratic policy around the world..."

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:30

It's a shit time, Theresa. PIP, UC, British Steel?

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/05/2019 16:30

I like to think of him locked in solitary confinement with the telly interview form 2010 being played on a loop forever and ever: Why do you want to be the Prime Minister?
well, I think I'd be rather good at it.

Death by irony.

Didn't see the speech (what's the point? I cleaned my bathroom instead, a far better use of my time) what's the verdict?

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:31

This is long. I'm picturing her going on forever. And Phillip having to prise her fingers from the lectern and dragging her away.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 16:31

This is just May trying to avoid being the perpetual answer to the quiz question
"who was the worst ever Uk PM"

and the 2050 history exam question
"which PM was most responsible for the breakup of the UK ? Cameron / May / Johnson / Farage "

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:31

This is shameful

Westfacing · 21/05/2019 16:34

No cheering from the rafters - gawd knows who was looking up at! She stopped doing it nearer the end, maybe it was a nervous tic.

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 16:34

May says this is a great time to be alive.

But I doubt whether those who have heard today that their jobs are going will think so. Fine for her, married to a wealthy hedge fund manager, or whatever he is.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:35

Questions - she's not answering them properly.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 16:35

Cameron must be laughing, being followed by her.

We should not forget though, he is the irresponsible fool who created this whole crisis, just to handle an internal party fight.

May would have been an adequate, although not memorable PM, under normal circumstances
She handled Brexit poorly, but Churchill, Thatcher, Blair and other historical big names would also have struggled to cope

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 16:35

It gets worse:
Q: If you lose the vote, can you confirm you will resign?

That was last week’s news, says May. She made a statement with the chair of the 1922 Committee.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:36

Peston is digging into what she said, exposing its short-termism

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 16:36

Complete and utter drivel. The last 3 years of mindless unachievable soundbites repackaged.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:37

She won't publish Bill till after the Euro elections ...

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:38

"This is not all down to me"

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