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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 16:02

From SKY online:
{16:12

Tory Brexiteer demands 'something completely different' from May

Tory Brexiteer Nigel Evans demands "something completely different" from the PM.

He tells Sky News: "If it's the same stuff again then it's going to be the same result - it has to be something completely different.

"If it's a Withdrawal Agreement Bill that still has the backstop in it then the DUP aren't going to support it and growing numbers of the Conservative Party aren't going to support it either."}

Which part of the sentence 'The WA will not be reopened' is too difficult for him to understand. The backstop stays!

lonelyplanetmum · 21/05/2019 16:03

She's late - it's 4.02 pm now. How many speeches to camera has she done on this topic now?

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 16:05

One Parliament can't bind the next.

I know that, but what's the process to repeal legislation? I know it needs time in Parliament to get it done, but what exactly does it take? If it's hugely tricky, you can see why it's not done often.

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 16:09

Tory Brexiteer demands 'something completely different' from May

Hands up who immediately heard "Liberty Bell" in their minds ear ?

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 16:12

It is looking like the 'mother of parliaments' or whatever the expression is, is about to legislate itself into oblivion due to a 'cock up' in the logic.

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 16:12

I know that, but what's the process to repeal legislation? I know it needs time in Parliament to get it done, but what exactly does it take? If it's hugely tricky, you can see why it's not done often.

repeal can be explicit or implied. generally courts take the view that new legislation trumps older legislation. Which is why the 1972 EEC act immediately made all equality legislation obsolete (from memory). Employers appealed, but the courts held that since parliaments intention in joining the EEC was clear, any conflicts between older UK law and EEC law would be resolved in favour of the EEC law.

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:13

She started now. It's so cringe making.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 16:13

A bit like the Asimov stories that looped round on themselves to be impossible. A lecher bottle perhaps?

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:14

Are there people very high up watching in the audience? Her eye line is very odd.

BollocksToBrexit · 21/05/2019 16:14

FFS, the 80% myth. The woman's a fucking idiot.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:15

Oh gawd here she goes.

TokyoSushi · 21/05/2019 16:16

She appears to be absolving herself of all blame!

BollocksToBrexit · 21/05/2019 16:16

So now it's all labour's fault for not capitulating compromising.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 16:17

She's still having the ongoing psychological episode then?

BollocksToBrexit · 21/05/2019 16:18

Did she just announce giving the DUP a veto over the backstop?

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:18

She's talking to God

TokyoSushi · 21/05/2019 16:19

This sounds very much like a 'last big speech'

lonelyplanetmum · 21/05/2019 16:19

Her eye line is very odd. Almost like there's a security concern up above?

TokyoSushi · 21/05/2019 16:20

There are lots of people up on balconies which would explain the eye line.

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:20

Seriously who's advising her? She should have sacked them years ago.

All this "new Brexit deal" stuff is such transparent bullshit. How dum does she think we all are?

More of the same. She could get a phd in pleasing no one. Confused

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:22

This stuff on NI, and trade, is nuts. She can't deliver it.

tobee · 21/05/2019 16:22

Just revoke, Theresa! There's no other possibility.

Peregrina · 21/05/2019 16:23

She can promise what she likes, as Cameron did - she won't have to deliver it.

PowerBadgersUnite · 21/05/2019 16:23

She can't really guarantee any of this can she? It's all bollocks.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 16:23

Rolling eyes at 'second referendum' but allowing parliament to vote on it ...