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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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Random18 · 21/05/2019 10:43

I just feel it’s really hopeless at the moment.

I will go along and vote as is my duty on Thursday but not feeling at all positive.

TM is going very soon by the sounds of it. There will be no public vote before she goes.
And any replacement will most likely be a Hard Brexiteer.

They will just surely let the clock wind down to no deal and to hell with what Parliament wants?

Unless we have a GE I don’t see any positive way forward?

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 10:49

Odds on British Steel existing by the end of this thread ?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48347371

British Steel is on the verge of administration as it continues to lobby for government backing, sources say.

The UK's second-biggest steel maker had been trying to secure £75m in financial support to help it to address "Brexit-related issues".

(contd).

TokyoSushi · 21/05/2019 11:00

We've recently moved and the new owner brought round a stack of post last night, I'm now the proud owner of Lib Dem, BP & UKIP leaflets, all addressed to me, none for DH!

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 11:00

Adding another 25,000 to the Universal Credit budget (costs) is going to spread it out a bit more thinly. I suppose 'Leavers' will dress it up as 'saving the environment' and nothing to do with Brexit.

catdoctor · 21/05/2019 11:19

Apologies if this has been covered- I’m ood on threads; why has UKIP been abandoned presumably in favour of Brexit party? Is there a layer of politics here that’s escaped me?

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/05/2019 11:21

Ukip too openly racist/batshit
Easier to vote for a party with no policies your friends can challenge you on.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 11:22

Tommy Robinson and others have 'taken over' the UKIP batton and were a bit heavy handed so Farage is trying his luck with the 'no plan at all' party.

Whisky2014 · 21/05/2019 11:32

Ian dunt actively being fine with all the milkshake throwing and making it seem irrelevant. Would be a different sorry if it was a politician he liked. Twat.

I've received leaflets from snp, conservatives, Labour and change UK I think. No brexit party thank fuck.

DGRossetti · 21/05/2019 11:44

Drifting to the offside of the topic, but in keeping ...

Just re-applied for DWs blue badge. At the risk of blowing 30 years of cynicism, this is a paradigm of a digital delivered service (with the caveat you add the words "for us" to that statement ....)

It took less than 5 minutes online. You whizz through the website, and as long as you have scans of:

PIP Award letter, Council Tax Bills, Passport and a recent digital ID photo, you're home dry.

Now I have scans of those, because I scan everything from official sources. No matter how loath they are to engage by emailing me (which is all of them), I have a digital version of it all.

But that's the way of the future, and that's what HMG-UK plc is aiming for ...

(For what it's worth, it would have been a real ballache on a tablet. Desktop PCs aren't dead yet .....)

phpolly · 21/05/2019 11:51

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Runningintothesunset · 21/05/2019 11:52

Apologies if already posted, but LedbyDonkeys have produced a manifesto for the Brexit Party, because they couldn’t be bothered themselves Grin

thebrexitparty.com/

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 11:56

"why has UKIP been abandoned ?"

Because Farage left it.
Brexiters now vote for his new party.

btw, he did NOT abandon UKIP because it became too racist & far right - not with his own beliefs and history of both

He left UKIP because they wouldn't do as he told them and they collapsed into bickering & chaos.
Hence why BREX has no members - just subs-paying supporters -
so he has total control of candidate selection and policy - he has delibeately chosen no policies, as his policy !

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 12:04

I am in at least partial agreement with a comment yesterday that the LedByDonkeys material is perhaps too clever and with a casual glance the irony does not come over, especially if you only take in one or two lines of text. Leavers don't seem to really 'do' irony or thinking (projecting forward) so it risks giving the wrong message.
The 'Leavers rejoice' thread is on a 'high' at the moment because the reality of the job cuts hasn't really hit home yet. When one or more of your family or friends get made redundant maybe they might start to question the sense of Brexiting.

Cherrypi · 21/05/2019 12:21

The climate change denial on radio 5 earlier by representatives of the brexit party and UKIP was scary. These views are now doubly represented in debates.

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 21/05/2019 12:27

We have been eating our stockpile.

I have discovered tinned veg is really practical, although DH refuses to believe it’s healthy because it’s a different colour/texture.

Scoobycat appears to prefer his cheap stockpiled cat food to his usual expensive cat food HmmConfused

BUT ... should we be eating it?

I thought we should since we will probably be moving house before 31/10 - more practical to eat it now and start gathering it again in the new location if required.

But if we get a new Brexit loving PM, could we crash out at any random time?

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2019 12:37

With regard to 'stash' food that had BB dates during this year, we've been eating ours and DS went back to university a few weeks ago laden with a big box of food and a lot went to the food bank e.g. the long life milk and biscuits.

I thought I'd replenish in September if it seemed necessary. But I've still got a lot of tins with BB dates 2020/2021. And bog roll. And bottled water.

1tisILeClerc · 21/05/2019 12:40

{Scoobycat appears to prefer his cheap stockpiled cat food to his usual expensive cat food hmmconfused

BUT ... should we be eating it?}

NO, don't eat the cat's food until things get very bad.

QueenOfThorns · 21/05/2019 12:52

I’m eating mine and planning to stock up again in September. We haven’t explored the potential of tinned veg, but we all think that frozen broccoli is nasty! Frozen chopped onions, on the other hand, are a revelation!

LonelyTiredandLow · 21/05/2019 13:08

Also eating ours and glad I stockpiled as various things have happened this month (one of which is a plumber who has been here for nearly 3 hours and will be costing me a fortune). Part baked rolls have been the best for us. Haven't quite been tempted enough to try the Fray Bentos Wink but the meat I froze has saved us from veganism for sure Grin.

hanahsaunt · 21/05/2019 13:12

We have only received leaflets from UKIP and the English Democrats ... we so do not live with our tribe ...

Iambuffy · 21/05/2019 13:12

dg took me about 30 mins to do mums application and got a reply within 3 hours

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 21/05/2019 13:19

Good to hear others are also eating up - I guess we will continue to do so (in best-before-date order...Grin)

1tisILeClerc 😂 but also Envy not envy! That stuff smells so bad!

queenofthorns oh, I haven’t tried the frozen chopped onions yet! Will do so tonight - planning a sort of “Brexit shepherd’s pie” with frozen onions, tinned lentils, tinned peas, tinned carrots, & mashed tinned potatoes....

NoWordForFluffy · 21/05/2019 13:20

Frozen broccoli either refuses to even defrost, or turns into the soggiest veg on the planet. No in between!

We're eating / using our stash too. I'll revisit after August pay day, I think.

I'll have food from the allotment by October too, so should have stuff I can freeze / store.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 13:23

and then eat the cat too !

BigChocFrenzy · 21/05/2019 13:26

V v unlikely to be No Deal before 31 October, but quite possible then if no further extension is requested / granted