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Westminstenders: Has Boris been outmanoeuvred? Reprise

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RedToothBrush · 17/05/2019 22:31

In the beginning there was this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1

And it said:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

And

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

So what of where we stand and the poison chalice of the Tory Leadership and a deal.

According to a poll of Tory Members, Johnson is by far their runaway favourite to become next leader. And he's given a 61% competence score - higher than any other candidate.

With Raab as their second favourite.

May has successfully managed to make such a mess of how she handled the 2016 Tory Party Conference and everything that subsequently stemmed from that, that the poison chalice of leadership will be passed and sooner than many would have wanted.

However blame for what follows can be laid at her feet. At the Labour Party’s feet for ending talks that were never going anyway. At the EU. And No Deal has been detoxified by May's handling amongst many supporters of Brexit. Johnson and Raab will therefore have no interest in striking a deal with the EU and instead set sail for exit on 31st Oct and will brazen it out.

What is scary is that waiting in the wings is Farage, who without winning a single seat in the HoC has more power than any MP. They are all so afraid of him. Thus we face a very hard push to the right, with the left and centre in disarray and disorganisation.

The Human Rights Act and Devolution settlements will be top of the list to go.

And we will face draconian ways to control the population as the lazy fools will want no accountability to the press or the courts.

How long before appointed or elected judges?

Was Boris outmanoeuvred?

By the look of it, absolutely not. He just had to wait a few years. But his path and power will not be lead by him... But by those who pull his strings.

It looks bleak. Very bleak.

Many may rue the day they didn't vote for May's deal yet...

... And fear of this nightmare vision of the future is the only card May has left in her hand to play. Will anyone realise this?

Probably not, because they will all still think Johnson's leadership bid will be blocked by moderates. The trouble is he's polling well and the cowards are too busy looking over their shoulders at the turquoise arrows.

Pray for a shock result next week which brings fewer Brexit Party seats than are anticipated. The trouble is they have the momentum right now and Remainers don't know their arses from their elbows much less be passion and inspiring to the young and to women.

We are fucked.

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1tisILeClerc · 19/05/2019 18:04

Do you suppose the new MEPs will go on an 'awayday' to Brussels to see the offices they might have had if the UK remained?

1tisILeClerc · 19/05/2019 18:05

{Just call me Mrs Heseltine!}
Bring a chocolate gateau with you and I'll call you anything you like!

DadDadDad · 19/05/2019 18:13

This is all serious stuff, but is anyone else amused by the irony that this election might see the highest UK turnout we've ever had for the Euro Parliament! Just when we're giving up having MEPs for ever, suddenly everyone is very interested in voting for their MEP.

Peregrina · 19/05/2019 18:17

If voting LibDem is good enough for Heseltine, then surely it's good enough for anyone.

As for getting the vote out: last time, I don't think we realised what Farage was up to. Although he's a big mouth, he isn't stupid, and saw the way to work the system. Remainers, or those who didn't realise they were Remainers, let him get away with it. This time make sure you turn out, even if it's bucketing it down with rain. I don't think we can stop him getting in, but his party can be given a run for their money.

Peregrina · 19/05/2019 18:18

suddenly everyone is very interested in voting for their MEP.
At least the Leavers have had to tone down the 'unelected' bit.

tobee · 19/05/2019 18:21

Still hoping the leavers will decide not to turn out due to laziness/frustration etc

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 19/05/2019 18:24

I have called ds1 back from uni

Though i did have to remind him it was the EU election...which is a tad worrying

Motheroffourdragons · 19/05/2019 18:27

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whymewhynow · 19/05/2019 18:28

I've just heard from Remain Voter nigella. It says vote Green for Eastern England:

^Current Polling predicts: 2 Remainer seats
Smart Voting indicates: We can gain an additional seat, bringing the total to 3.^

The Liberal Democrats look secure in this region, but the Greens are fighting for last seat against the Brexit Party. RemainVoter.com recommends voting Green to secure a Remainer seat in East of England, blocking Farage.

Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease

whymewhynow · 19/05/2019 18:31

Mother - I feel the same, it seems very counter-intuitive. I was all ready to vote Lib Dem...

Peregrina · 19/05/2019 18:32

Mother - no, I think you need to cast your vote for the LibDems. They believe that in the South East the last place will be between the LibDems and the Brexcrement party. I don't think ChangeUK has much hope, which is a pity because their No 1 Candidate is Richard Ashworth, who was a decent Tory MEP, until the Tories decided that they wanted to lose their minds.

Iambuffy · 19/05/2019 18:33

Pmk

Peregrina · 19/05/2019 18:35

That is, in the South East the LibDems are hoping for two, but would very much like the third and if it's between them and Brexcrement it's more of a cause for rejoicing.

Littlespaces · 19/05/2019 18:40

Green recommendation in my area.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/05/2019 18:44

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woodpigeons · 19/05/2019 18:47

Copied and pasted from Remainvoter email. I don’t know what to think now

Here is your voting recommendation for Thursday's EU Election vote. First, 3 things

1 - Get out and vote. Take a friend. Make a facebook event. Turnout is a winner!

2 - Be confident. Less than 500,000 smart Remain votes across the UK could change the face of this election. 6 million of us signed the #RevokeA50 petition. You've got this. Use the hashtag #RemainVoter.

3 - Sharing is caring. Share this recommendation for your area on your Facebook and Twitter feed. Include @RemainVoter and we will RT.

It's that simple. This is how we win.

East Midlands - Vote Green

Current polling predicts: 1 Remainer party will win 1 seat
Smart Voting indicates: A further seat can be gained for a second pro-European party.

The Liberal Democrats look secure in winning a single seat. The next best placed pro-European party to win is the Greens. A Greens gain will displace a pro-Brexit party, and lock them out of the East Midlands region.

Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease.

Eastern England - Vote Green

Current Polling predicts: 2 Remainer seats
Smart Voting indicates: We can gain an additional seat, bringing the total to 3.

Remain Voter only recommend when the number of Remain seats increase and Leave seats decrease.

London - Vote Change UK

Current Polling predicts: 3 Remainer seats across two parties.
Smart Voting indicates: We can gain a 4th seat for a third pro-European party.

Lib Dem and Green seats look secure, so RemainVoter.com recommends vote Change UK to gain a 4th Remain seat in London. With Labour being non-committal, this means pro-Brexit parties cannot claim the capital.