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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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1tisILeClerc · 17/05/2019 11:41

Headline from SKY:
{HMS Queen Elizabeth captain sacked for 'using official car at weekends' }

The UK truly has gone mad!
OK he shouldn't have 'borrowed' a car for personal use at weekends (but he did pay for the fuel) but losing his job as captain of the most stupendously expensive aircraft carrier is beyond stupid.
It can carry up to 40 fighter aircraft, each capable of firing many missiles on a 'mission' and each missile if of the smart guided variety costs many tens of thousands of Pounds.
You could buy and keep a couple of cars for the cost of each missile!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 17/05/2019 11:42

dh had his Lib Dem leaflet today.

Wonder when I'll get my Brexit one Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 17/05/2019 12:02

^ "We can revoke even during transition^"

NO
Transition only starts on Brexit Day and if the HoC have passed the WA

Once we have actually Brexited, we would have to apply to Rejoin

The EU said a long time ago that Rejoin could be fast-tracked if it was during transition .... but after the chaos and insults of the last year, I don't know if that would still be the case.

The EU might wish to wait until they are sure Farage, Boris & the whole idea of Brexit has imploded as a political force / farce.

LoonvanBoon · 17/05/2019 12:06

Don't know if this has already been posted. There's a leaked document showing May & Corbyn planned to have preferential votes In Commons on different customs arrangements, and a vote on 2nd referendum. It's being presented as an attempt to block a 2nd referendum - because it was meant to be a separate vote, not attached to any other option?

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-brexit-leak-reveals-theresa-may-and-jeremy-corbyn-discussed-plan-to-leave-eu-on-july-31-a4144686.html

Not happening now, anyway.

LoonvanBoon · 17/05/2019 12:07

Oh yes, & they planned to leave on 31st July [managed to miss out one of key bits there].

Littlespaces · 17/05/2019 12:13

They couldn't plan their way out of a paper bag.

1tisILeClerc · 17/05/2019 12:20

Thanks BCF, yes as you say, it was said by Mr Junker, but not necessarily enforceable, that if during transition the UK wanted to remain that the request would be looked on favourably as it would still be following EU rules, regulations and standards.
If it was written down I imagine the EU putting the paper under the strongest sunlight so it fades away.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/05/2019 12:29

It was verbal only, not binding and it was before UK politics had degenerated into chaos & idiocy

atm, I'd expect any Rejoin talks to be a very long process, with transition extended for maybe 10-15 years until the EU are sure that common sense has broken out in the UK - and Brexit is politically dead

Peregrina · 17/05/2019 12:38

I can't help but remember that all the main people will be gone soon - May, Juncker (if he is a main player). Private Eye says that Barnier is a candidate for Juncker's role, although he denies it.

noodlenosefraggle · 17/05/2019 12:45

I'm a bit pissed off that Labour have pissed away the chance to get the government tied to workers rights and environmental protections. Now, the Tories and dup could just agree to pass the WA without those protections. I don't even know why or what they want. Half their MP's are talking about a confirmatory referendum as if its party policy when it's not! At least I can just vote Lib dem on Thursday!

1tisILeClerc · 17/05/2019 12:51

I feel I can sense the EP Brexit negotiators busy finding excuses to do anything else except having to deal with the UK. Filing papers and watering pot plants has never been so attractive, even if they are other peoples papers and plants!

Icantreachthepretzels · 17/05/2019 12:53

Urgh! I've just had my Yaxley Lennon leaflet. Three leaflets although there are only two voters in this house.

Well it's good to see the far right making efficient use of election money and resources Hmm

Surely, if Boris were PM and Nige were Deputy - it would just be a race to see who got bored and quit the first? There's a lot of work and a lot less grandstanding in newspapers and rallies involved in those positions and ... neither of them like work.

NoWordForFluffy · 17/05/2019 13:02

NO
Transition only starts on Brexit Day and if the HoC have passed the WA

Ah, well, I stole it from another regular poster on another thread and took it as gospel. My bad, eh?!

Iambuffy · 17/05/2019 13:21

As we predicted the UK govt is wasting time.

borntobequiet · 17/05/2019 13:22

I really should stop linking to the Daily Mash, but this is god
www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/your-guide-to-the-fkheads-wankers-and-creeps-who-want-to-be-next-tory-leader-20190517185724

borntobequiet · 17/05/2019 13:23

Good! Not god.

1tisILeClerc · 17/05/2019 13:25

{As we predicted the UK govt is wasting time.}

It's like we had a crystal ball.

1tisILeClerc · 17/05/2019 13:26

{Ah, well, I stole it from another regular poster on another thread and took it as gospel. My bad, eh?!}
Don't worry about it, you are still months ahead of the HoC.

Iambuffy · 17/05/2019 13:31

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Iambuffy · 17/05/2019 13:33

Oh ffs!

Dont click.

Trying to link to an article on Cameron's autobiography and fucked it.

It's out in September.

prettybird · 17/05/2019 13:37

Iirc, Barnier wanted to go for Juncker's role (or was it Tusk's?) but had to pull back from putting himself forward as the Brexit negotiations are dragging on interminably Hmm

Can you imagine a UK politician putting duty before ambition in that way? WinkShock

There was a debate/hustings for the various candidates (as put forward by their respective EP groupings) for Juncker's role a couple of days ago. Of course it got almost zero coverage in the UK. Hmm

Pesky democracy in action Grin if unobserved in the UK Hmm

NoWordForFluffy · 17/05/2019 13:44

There was a debate/hustings for the various candidates (as put forward by their respective EP groupings) for Juncker's role a couple of days ago. Of course it got almost zero coverage in the UK.

It's stuff like this which makes me think we'd be better off leaving as we clearly don't see ourselves as part of it anyway. But (devil's advocate!) is part of that purely a geographical issue (small island, not feeling connected)?

Don't worry about it, you are still months ahead of the HoC.

Grin Small mercies, eh?!

QueenOfThorns · 17/05/2019 13:49

Does whoever was playing Top Trumps with election communications need a UKIP one? I’m delighted to have received mine this morning.

tobee · 17/05/2019 13:49

Still clinging on to the Stop Boris Tories saving us Hmm

HesterThrale · 17/05/2019 13:56

I normally like maps, but this one is depressing.

twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1129276883269509121

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