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Westminstenders: Fallout coming to a place near you soon

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RedToothBrush · 02/05/2019 18:18

Once again not much to report on Brexit itself.

The sideshow of Gavin Williamson lots set to run and rumble on. The scandal further weakens May as she has lost a key ally. Despite his protests of innocence, May herself must believe he is guilty. Whether this is because she is indeed too heavily influenced by Sedwill is the question, but for her to sack him when she has failed to do so with other Cabinet Members so many times means she must feel there is good reason. Every other party has seen it as a good opportunity to put the boot in and demand an investigation. So far this has been paid lip service as the Cabinet Office must approve any investigation and this doesn't seem to be forthcoming from Lidington. This may not hold, if pressure grows. In truth the whole affair is unlikely to damage Williamson's leadership ambitions; he has raised his profile and set up a narrative of a Remainer Victim. Penny Mordaunt has been the other major beneficiary of the issue.

May now seems to have abandoned the idea that there will be a way forward found before the European elections and they are now definitely going ahead. This isn't a surprise as there is no incentive for Labour to have an agreement before the EU elections in which the Conservatives are certain to get a bloody nose. She also seems to be dropping hints they she will give into a customs union.

We have a visit from Trump to look forward to, which will be utterly joyous. There are rumours that he might meet Farage whilst he is here. His visit starts on 3rd June and finish on the 5th.

The Peterborough By Election is set for just a few days later on the 6th June. The Brexit Party have a very good chance of winning their first Parliamentary seat here - so the temptation to have a photo shoot with Trump will be all the more appealing to Farage. The hope must be that the Brexit vote will be split, allowing Labour to retain the seat. The previous Conservative MP, Stewart Jackson might well stand and he's very Brexity, George Galloway is trying to get the Brexit Party candidency though I think it unlikely and he will probably stand as a Pro-Brexit Independent anyway. There is also the prospect of Farage himself standing as its a winnable seat, but this seems unlikely as you can't be an MEP and an MP and its a high risk strategy to go for MP rather than a sure fire MEP. (Plus the pay is better for MEP).

May faces a challenge at grassroots level with an Emergency Meeting called by the Conservative Associations at her leadership. This will be in mid June. After the local, EU elections and Trump's visit this will be difficult for her to survive. Whilst she has survived this long, this will prove to be her biggest challenge yet.

It has to be said that there is no sign that we will get anything but no deal ultimately. There is an admission that May can't pass a Queen's speech with anything meaningful, so as long as she remains as PM parliament is even more paralysed that it has been to date. All things point to a new leader who is very Brexitty or accidental no deal because May can not do anything.

Meanwhile in the real world there are rumours that cancer treatments are now being delayed indefinitely due to Brexit... And so we continue to destroy ourselves and now, it seems, actively kill people in the name of Brexit.

Local Election results will start tonight with the majority tomorrow. Tories are expecting 700 - 1000 losses.

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BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 21:26

Oops, there are indeed many confused voters Confused

Britain Elects@britainelects

Multiple reports of voters going to the polling stations with their Euro election poll cards instead of the ones for the locals.

BercowsSilkTie · 02/05/2019 21:27

AIBU: The Green Party www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3574663-aibu-the-green-party

For anyone interested about the issues surrounding the Greens.

TalkinPaece · 02/05/2019 21:30

Facebook finally starting to do the right thing .....
Alex Jones and Milo and other fragrant types barred

HateIsNotGood · 02/05/2019 21:31

BCF - it's a little embarassing isn't it? All those people who didn't vote before now wanting to vote, turning up with the wrong card.

Best not mock them for their ignorance - but encourage them and say it's ok, now you know, so what's your name and address, here's your ballot papers and the booths are over there. See you next time.

woman19 · 02/05/2019 21:32

The culture difference between some places in the UK is something we've been very aware of
I've lived all over Britain. Lots of different people, lots of different cultures, lots of different ideas. It's great. Or was.

So the questions served their purpose of highlighting different world views, different cultural outlooks

It's easy to convince scared people they are in a binary situation.

And with leading questions like those, that the 'other tribe' is immigrants and women.

If there are 2 tribes in Britain now, it's those who are hungry, short of medication on the verge of homelessness or homeless, and those who are not.

None of those questions seemed to ask about that. Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 21:34

This is why the main parties are reluctant to tackle climate change - they'd lose votes
So expect plenty of fine words, but few laws to change habits

Majority of Brits unwilling to cut back to fight climate change, poll finds

https://news.sky.com/story/majority-of-brits-unwilling-to-cut-back-to-fight-climate-change-poll-finds-11709486

OublietteBravo · 02/05/2019 21:37

We have a few houses locally that usually display large political posters (billboard size, supported by large wooden frames). I notice that the LibDem house has one up, but there is no sign of any posters at all (not even a small one in the window) at Tory house or UKIP house. I haven’t been past labour house recently, so I’ve no idea about them.

ContinuityError · 02/05/2019 21:37

HateIsNotGood it’s not that hard to understand. IoM and CI are self-governing British Crown Dependencies. Neither are part of the UK or the EU.

For instance, the IoM has its own parliament, government and laws (not “laws”), and the UK is responsible for its international relations under international law and Brenda is its head of state.

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 21:37

woman Like RTB and MrRTB, I have long thought there are 2 different tribes, independent of income / wealth.

How people feel about "cultural / emotional" issues like authoritarianism, feminism, different races / nationalities does not depend on their bank balance

Bodoni · 02/05/2019 21:40

Thank you borntobequiet for your lovely link - made me cry! I hadn't seen it before.

OublietteBravo · 02/05/2019 21:43

Thank you borntobequiet for your lovely link - made me cry! I hadn't seen it before.

It made me cry too. I cried when I got to the end of Pall Mall on the PV March march too.

GaspodeWonderCat · 02/05/2019 21:43

'Glad' others do not yet have EU polling cards. Thought it was just me in the South West... not that I'm paranoid of course ...

OublietteBravo · 02/05/2019 21:44

We got our EU polling cards yesterday (Labour council - although who knows if that will still be true by this time tomorrow?)

woman19 · 02/05/2019 21:45

People in countries who all have similiar bank balances and share the same great public services, don't get so antsy about women and forrins though, BCF.

We'll have to agree to disagree, BCFSmile Have a Lindt on me.Smile

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 21:46

Well, Gaspode It probably stopped some folk taking them along today - maybe that was the idea Wink

Far more worrying is the testing of voter ID today - and voters without it, being turned away

OublietteBravo · 02/05/2019 21:50

My parents live in an area which is trialling voter ID (Craven). I’ll ask them if they noticed any issues.

How does proxy voting work with voter ID? (I had a proxy vote for DH today because he was travelling on business). Would I just need ID for me, or for him as well?

BigChocFrenzy · 02/05/2019 21:50

Yeah, woman Maybe I'm paranoid, but I see the next 2 GEs as a contest between the authoritarian tribe and the rest of us .... while the rest of us are not yet organised

🍫 Lindt to you too Smile

jasjas1973 · 02/05/2019 21:50

Anyone stupid enough to turn up to a local council election, thinking its a EP election, should indeed have their name and address taken and barred from voting ever again.

HateIsNotGood · 02/05/2019 21:55

Thanks for that Continuity - I'm always up for a bit of a splain. Where do they fit into Two Tribe Britain?

Really, don't bother, only if you want to though, but I think this British 2 Tribes thing is pants so not too receptive to more nonsense along those lines.

Polling stations close in a few minutes - for the few of you here that actually can vote in them - I'm far more interested in that.

1tisILeClerc · 02/05/2019 21:56

{Anyone stupid enough to turn up to a local council election, thinking its a EP election, should indeed have their name and address taken and barred from voting ever again.}
That seems rather harsh since the government have been doing everything possible to be as 'unclear' for the last 3 years, in an attempt to fudge a completely miscalculated balls up.
I am a bit surprised some people don't understand Crown dependencies.

1tisILeClerc · 02/05/2019 21:58

{Polling stations close in a few minutes - for the few of you here that actually can vote in them - I'm far more interested in that.}
That sounds like a very distinctive slur against some.

Icantreachthepretzels · 02/05/2019 21:59

In fairness to people turning up with the wrong polling card - I kept both of mine together. I took the time to check I picked up the right one - but if I was in a hurry or distracted as I went out the door I might well have picked up the wrong one and not thought about it until it was too late. Doesn't mean I didn't know what I was going to vote for.

That was a lovely link Born ... it turns out I can't actually listen to Ode to Joy anymore without getting tearful - it just seems to sum up everything we're losing and everything we need to fight for.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/05/2019 22:00

pmk, off to the count.

QueenOfThorns · 02/05/2019 22:01

Have I missed something about Change UK? Are they not a good choice in the EU elections?

No problem with them as such, except that they’re an extra party to split the Remain vote, which can’t be good Sad

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