Westminstenders: Local Elections Madness

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This week has gone from banging your head against the wall to wanting to bang your head through it.

Labour have voted to support a 2nd ref as their EU election campaign strategy. Only for Corbyn to ignore it. And a row has broken out.

Change UK seem well on track to make everyone else look professional and to look as 'liberal elite' as humanly possible in a real life reverse paraody of themselves.

The Brexit Party is going from strength to strength with the most wtf candidates imaginable and Farage is happy cos his mate is coming to tea with the Queen.

The Liberal Democrats have decided that anti semitism is OK in an effort to keep Labour seats.

And the Conservatives. Where to start? Probably with the Tory Leadership Election infighting which looks suspiciously as if its now breached national security.

As for Brexit. No one really wants to talk about it. Local elections are next week. May is now apparently supporting the Malthouse Compromise. Be warned, it is difficult to see it as anything but a Trojan Horse for No Deal. Not that everyone has worked this out yet. But until we have the blood bath of the local elections over and done with on Thursday, don't expect much to happen.

Then expect the Tories to lose their minds...

_ From September: Labour supporters turn against Brexit as 1.6million former Leave voters switch to Remain_

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-supporters-turn-against-brexit-13186920?

A change of heart by Labour supporters is behind a shift in voters opposing Brexitt_, a new analysis reveals.
The study shows that since the 2016 referendum 1.6million people who backed Leave have moved to the Remain camp.

The vast majority of these - 1.4million - are Labour supporters especially in the north east and north west of England.

But this is offset by a hardening of attitudes among Tory voters, with 800,000 Conservatives who backed Remain now saying they would vote Leave.

Nearly 8 million people in Britain eligible to vote in the European elections are not yet registered, campaigners have said as the deadline looms
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/01/eight-million-eligible-uk-voters-not-registered-ahead-of-european-elections-study-finds

@prettybird hmmm, I guess I do have a choice then, SNP or Green. I'm not a nationalist, so maybe Green is a better fit and tactically sound.

I'll not mention that the Scottish Greens are also in favour of independence then

Peregrina
It was a little like the by election back in Sleaford and North Hykeham

I looked up the by election - the Tory MP who resigned (thereby causing the by election) did so claiming that the Conservative Party had become "UKIP-lite" - maybe that's what they voted for in Sleaford after all? And what the Brexit Party offers now.

You are in the same MEP area as me - I heard two Labour supporters on the radio this morning - declaring that they intend to vote Labour in the local elections and Brexit Party in the EU election.

I don't think that the Brexit Party are standing in the local elections so therefore if UKIP actually do well it shows that Leavers are openly prepared to embrace racist bastards - don't crack on that UKIP aren't racist ; even Farage left them because they were too overtly right wing.
Which means any faux disgust at being called racist is just that - FAKE.

So in todays "how to fiddle polls" lesson, we'll show how gaming the options can work in generating faux headline.

The aim of the exercise is to supply statistically valid data, enabling the customer to print a headline suggesting Britons are more worried about gun control than Brexit.

bellinisurge
I have no intention of voting for UKIP - do you?

Nice try Clavinova, but 3/10, could do better. The point was, the UKIP vote came absolutely nowhere near the Tory vote - there was precious little between the parties, but you would not have known from the reporting. If they had reported sensibly, then the collapse of UKIP in 2017 would not have taken anyone by surprise. And why vote BluKIP when you can have the real deal.

What the Brexit party offers now is Farage and his big mouth. Once he's gone, there is no substance.

clavinova 2 Labour voters on the radio,
vs 1.4 million Labour voters of the former 1.6 million Leavers who've switched to Remain

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-supporters-turn-against-brexit-13186920<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-supporters-turn-against-brexit-13186920?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar" target="_blank">?

Article worth sharing?
How to make sure you can vote in the UK's European elections

UK, Commonwealth and EU citizens can vote in the May European parliamentary elections, but you must be registered by Tuesday 7 May

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/29/how-to-make-sure-you-can-vote-in-the-uks-european-elections

And why vote BluKIP when you can have the real deal.

We thought we were leaving the EU in November 2016 - UKIP (or the Brexit Party) was superfluous at the time.

What the Brexit party offers now is Farage and his big mouth.Once he's gone, there is no substance.

His big mouth is very charismatic - that's your problem. Most people I know only see him as a vehicle for Brexit, nothing else - I still intend to vote for my pro-Brexit Tory MP in a GE.

{We thought we were leaving the EU in November 2016 - UKIP (or the Brexit Party) was superfluous at the time.}

Maybe if leavers had brains they would realise that it takes a lot of planning and several years of renegotiation to unpick 40+ years of constant EU integration, so it could never happen 'overnight'.

Farage is only a vehicle for Brexit and he hasn't actually managed to get his side to deliver that yet.

BigChocFrenzy
clavinova 2 Labour voters on the radio
vs 1.4 million Labour voters of the former 1.6 million Leavers who've switched to Remain

You have linked to the Mirror newspaper which says;

the findings are based on an analysis of YouGov polls of 15,000 people by anti-Brexit Best for Britain campaign and Hope Not Hate.

So, an anti-Brexit campaign group has cherry-picked some stats from YouGov and analysed the data all by themselves? Hmm...

I'm happy to look at the actual data if you can link to that - maybe I'm wrong...

@RemainAlliance
Latest #RemainAlliance voting recommendations for the #EuropeanElections
Source: @ukdomainnames (see thread for details)

1tisILeClerc
Maybe if leavers had brains

Another insult?
So says the man(?) who copied and pasted a chart from 2007 yesterday, without realising it was so out of date.

Thanks littlespaces WM has changed last week I read somewhere we needed to vote lib dems.

clavinova "We thought we were leaving the EU in November 2016"

Why on earth would you think that ?

Didn't you bother to research what Brexit involves?

It's not just switchin an App on & off

Why doesn’t the remain alliance map give recommendations for NI? We will be voting in EU elections too, and given we were one of the four regions where a majority voted to remain, you’d think we would be held in mind?
On that note, how can we expect the average voter in rUK to consider us in their voting intentions when we are are often not even represented visually on information given? It may seem a small thing but I think it’s part of a bigger problem, and the biggest Brexit problem.

If Brexiters believed the polls are wrong and that they were still in the majority, then they would be jumping at the chance for a PV,
for the people to confirm whether they agreed with the specific form of Brexit offered.

Winning the PV would kill off Rejoin talk for a generation
Brexit now, without letting voters say they are satisfied with the terms, just means we'd Rejoin in a few years once Corbyn has been replaced

Clavinova
Trying to decide if I care what you think, and the reality is no I don't.
The fact that leavers have no regard for all those who are suffering from the effects of just the start of the leave process, never mind what will happen when the UK does leave is beyond disgusting.
Failure to understand what leaving the EU actually means is a big problem, something the Leave campaign have no plan for, despite being two months past the date that the UK should have officially left.

We thought we were leaving the EU in November 2016"

November 2016 was the date of the by election that Peregrina posted a big chunk on...why did anyone need to vote for UKIP then?

Didn't you bother to research what Brexit involves?
I could ask why you're not following the thread properly? Or reading your links?

I think NI is very difficult to offer recommendations for, as it is based on STV rather than the d'Hondt system. So the voters there will rank their preferences, rather than in the rest of the UK where voters only vote for a single party.

Going to love you and leave you - for now...