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Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security

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RedToothBrush · 12/04/2019 22:34

The new exit date, unless we agree a deal sooner, is the 31st October.

It seems ages away, but its runs the risk of a false sense of security too.

The first deadline is May 22nd. The Conservative Party would dearly like to avoid European Elections. They are already liable to face wipe out in the early May local elections, as the party was at its peak in 2015 under Cameron when there were last elections.

The EU elections have the added danger of proportional representation meaning UKIP and The Brexit Party could win seats from them. This is despite polling suggesting that Ukip and the Brexit Party are unlikely to reach the high watermark of 2015 and this could lead to fewer UKIP style MEPs this time round.

The liklihood of a deal by 22nd May is low though. Especially given how well Tory - Labour talks are going. The potential for a deal seems remote in the next few weeks.

The next deadline falls on 30th June. If we do have EU elections, the next target for the Tory Party is the end of June to get a deal before the newly elected MEPs can take their seats. However if the goal is unachievable before EU elections, it seems unlikely that agreement will be found in the next 30 days unless there is a major change of heart amongst the hardcore ERG and the DUP. Labour will want to see the Tories humiliated too much.

May who says she will go, will face another wave of pressure to resign during May and June. Messages out of No10, though not May herself, had indicated an exit around 22nd May on the condition a deal was done. Crafty as ever, what May actually said was she would stay on until we reached the second stage of Brexit and had effectively left. This now falls as late as Oct 31st, thus killing plans for a summer Tory leader election.

Once we get past June though, time for a deal, any deal starts to become very limited. Parliament only sits until mid July. Here May hits another problem. The two year parliamentary session ends. There has been talk of it being extended but the DUP have firmly said no to this.

This means when parliament is due to return in September we have an issue. To start a new session May will need a majority to pass a Queens Speech. If the DUP and Hardline ERGers withdraw support in protest at May still being PM what happens? Can May win support from elsewhere. It seems unlikely.

At this point the question of a General Election looms large. And we only have six weeks from then before we exit the EU. If a GE is triggered then, the risk of no deal is extremely high, which might encourage some to support May from across the aisle to prevent parliament from being shut and losing those crucial six weeks.

The danger over the next few weeks, is there is a false sense of there being lots of time left. The reality is our real deadline might be in effect the end of the parliamentary session in mid July. After that all bets are off.

The date of 31st October isn't the one you should keep your eyes on.

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BestIsWest · 15/04/2019 13:44

PM is on a walking holiday in Wales according to Downing Street. Let’s hope she doesn’t get any bright ideas this time.

Icantreachthepretzels · 15/04/2019 14:14

PM is on a walking holiday in Wales according to Downing Street. Let’s hope she doesn’t get any bright ideas this time.

I don't know - I have this bit of a fantasy where she'll come back after the two week break and just start talking like the people's vote is happening, of course it's happening, what do you mean I was against it? Don't be crazy - get organising it. And she'll just sweep every one along - brooking no arguments.

I had a dream last night that she made a speech about how she wanted to revoke, the only sensible thing to do was revoke - it was madness not to but parliament wouldn't let her and she didn't understand why. Then she cried! ... But in my dream she looked a heck of a lot more like Diane Abbot than Theresa May - and there was a woman who looked quite a bit like the real Theresa May standing next to me laughing at her. So I'm not sure what that signifies Confused Does Diane Abbot think they should revoke but Jeremy Corbyn won't let her say it out loud? Watch this space ...

Butterymuffin · 15/04/2019 14:15

Not another walking holiday. The rest of the Tory party must be incredibly nervous after last time.

TalkinPaece · 15/04/2019 15:08

(((((( Sos )))))
Look after yourself and your family as best you can
and thank goodness the Brexiters have not yet demolished the NHS

DGRossetti · 15/04/2019 15:23

Had lunch with DS, so recharged the meme machine ...

Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
DGRossetti · 15/04/2019 15:24

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/brexit/news/103216/excl-ministers-blasted-after-%E2%80%98dodgy-statistics%E2%80%99-overstate

Ministers have been accused of peddling “dodgy statistics” after an embarrassing blunder saw the Government overstate how much Britain imports from countries outside the European Union by a staggering £300bn.

(contd)

TalkinPaece · 15/04/2019 15:37

DGR
That second one is a cracker

yolofish · 15/04/2019 15:55

loving both of those DGR

ElenadeClermont · 15/04/2019 16:08

Game of Thrones' Nikolaj Coster-Waldau talks playing unlikely hero Jaime Lannister, battles with bears and bidding farewell to Westeros

“That’s the difference between Game of Thrones and Brexit: nobody really cares about the protagonists.” He smiles. “There’s just pure disgust at the politicians in England from everywhere, including from England. In Game of Thrones, even if you hate someone you still want to see what happens next.”

Naturally, being a liberal, right-minded northern European who’s spent much of the past decade working in Northern Ireland, he considers the whole thing a shame as well as a shambles.

“Look at London — it’s been the capital of Europe for many years. I was in London last Christmas and it was so packed with people from all over Europe, because that’s what you do. This is our city. So it’s just gonna be weird and sad when that is no longer the case.”

www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/game-of-thrones-nikolaj-costerwaldau-talks-playing-unlikely-hero-jaime-lannister-battles-with-bears-a4118191.html

DGRossetti · 15/04/2019 16:18

I can't find the picture, but DS also showed me a meme about the word "Brexiting"

Brexiting: (v) - to say goodbye in a gathering, and then hang around until it's time to say goodbye again. E.g.: Have you seen Boris ? He's been Brexiting since midnight.

DS works with a variety of nationalities, and meets a lot of very rich Chinese folk (£10,000 a pop on the roulette wheel) ... not a single one of them thinks Brexit can work out well for the UK and they remain puzzled as to why the UK feels China owes us a living. That said, they are also very superstitious, and DS being blond, gets his hair stroked for luck a hell of a lot Grin

Wakemeuuuup · 15/04/2019 16:58

I'm so sorry to hear about your DGD SOS. Flowers for you all

havingtochangeusernameagain · 15/04/2019 17:02

It sounds like the call for the remain parties to work together is bearing some fruit: www.renewparty.org.uk/renew_moves_to_support_the_ind_group

Renew and Tiggers working together. Now we just need the Libdems, Greens, SNP and Plaid to join in (and Sinn Fein?)

havingtochangeusernameagain · 15/04/2019 17:03

Flowers to Sos too, I had not read the latest thread until just now. Hope the picture is improving.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/04/2019 17:32

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Jux · 15/04/2019 17:57

DGR, I love that - Brexiting. It's exactly what MIL used to do, drove me mad. DH does it too, also drives me mad. Ihave caught myself doing it sometimes to my utter shame Blush

DGRossetti · 15/04/2019 18:07

DGR, I love that - Brexiting. It's exactly what MIL used to do, drove me mad. DH does it too, also drives me mad. Ihave caught myself doing it sometimes to my utter shame

I have vivid memories from childhood of being dragged to something or other (unlike me, DF was very sociable and organised and attended many "dos", as it was good for drumming up business ....) and being bored to tears. Then hearing DF and DM saying goodbye, and getting excited it was time to go only for it to be a false alarm and having to wait another hour. But you got to learn how Italians, French, Spanish and Germans all said goodbye Grin

prettybird · 15/04/2019 18:30

Here's a worked example of the d'Hondt system for you lot to get your teeth into Wink

It works through the Scottish 2014 results to demonstrate how the MEPs were elected. In 2009 it was the LibDems, rather than UKIP who got in on "last man standing", but in 2014, perhaps as a result of the coalition with the Tories, their vote went down 4.4% Sadwhile UKIP went up 5.2%, letting in the odious, execrable Coburn Angry In 2009, UKIP had only got 57,778 votes, behind not just the LibDems who got 127k but also the Scottish Greens who got 80,442.

It's worth understanding how MEPs are elected in Scotland. You have a single vote which you cast for a party, not an individual candidate.

Votes are counted over 6 rounds to get 6 MEPs as follows:

1) In the first round of counting the party with the most votes wins a seat for the candidate at the top of its list.

2) In the second round the winning party's vote is divided by two, and whichever party comes out on top in the re-ordered results wins a seat for their top candidate.

3) The process repeats itself, with the original vote of the winning party in each round being divided by one plus their running total of MEPs, until all 6 seats have been allocated.

Results for 2014 in Scotland are shown in the spreadsheet below.

There is also a useful explanation here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/your-meps/europeanelections/thevoting_system.html

Westminstenders: A False Sense of Security
missclimpson · 15/04/2019 19:06

Notre-Dame. 😨

ElenadeClermont · 15/04/2019 19:07
Sad
Iambuffy · 15/04/2019 19:11

Oh no :(

Flowerplower · 15/04/2019 19:13

Flowers for Sos. Wishing your dgd all the best.

It's so depressing to watch Notre Dame on fire. It's like watching Europe lose its heart.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 15/04/2019 19:17

Sad Just watched the spire collapse. How awful.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/04/2019 19:19

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Songsofexperience · 15/04/2019 19:19

Notre Dame burning does feel ominous and a bit apocalyptic.
However it's most likely an electrical fire caused by negligence on the building site (the roof was being renovated). Even without malicious intents stupidity is quite enough to bring about the end of the world.

NoWordForFluffy · 15/04/2019 19:23

It's awful news. 😢

So many fires appear to be caused by building work negligence. Almost every big fire in a public building seems to have been undergoing work at the time.