Westminstenders: 1001 Ways to wait for EUCO - Sprouts, Nits and Brexit

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Not much more to say other than, all we can do is wait to hear our fate.

Which seems to lie in the hands of Macron.

I think these tweet sums a lot of it up from a couple of jaded soft leavers

Iain Martin @ iainmartin1
This terrible farce in Brussels tonight is like being British during the eurovision song contest. British entrant awaits fate, watching humiliating results come in, trying to smile for the audience back home.

George Trefgarne @georgetrefgarne
To be honest I think Buck’s Fizz and Cheryl thingummy would have made a better job of it

My advice: Don't wait up!

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
EU source on Macron: "He is in a bit of a schizophrenic situation - (his) domestic audience demands that he is tough on Britain for historic reasons. On the other hand, France is among the most-hit in any no-deal Brexit. It will take hours before we pull him down from his tree."

So Macron may end up being the one who gets the UK what it wants but is doing it to be tough on us. I'm not sure I understand EU politics.

I thought 29th March was the drop dead date? It passed and Farage and his yobs only managed to get a few thousand on the streets, and then they couldn't manage to be peaceful.

My first feeling this morning was one of relief. If the 31st October is fixed in people's brains, it makes 30th June go away, and then the EU elections will happen, and come on MNers, let's see Farage, Nuttall and Batten kicked out of the EP.

Given that stockpiling reportedly boosted the economy in the three months up to Feb by 0.3%, can we expect to see a reverse effect over the next few months?

Because of moving I've been using up some of mine over the last couple of weeks and just topping up with fresh stuff. It's going surpringly far. So yes absolutely it's going to have an effect on the economy. I've been spending far less than I have in recent months.

For us it's brilliant as we couple do with saving a little bit more than usual for obvious reasons.

I am very relieved and glad that we decided to bite the bullet with the house now. I know others have been putting big decisions on hold. The question now is whether people will see the next 6 months as an opportunity to get a few of those things done or will they continue to put everything on hold, not knowing if it will be over in six months or whether we will be asking for another extension. The effect of having two extensions is now that people might well not take the risk of no deal seriously on a psychological level.

I don't know. I'm not sure I know what another six months will really achieve.

I suspect that the lack of storage units available is probably connected to stockpiling. Can people afford to keep that stockpile level up?

The uncertainty is harmful but at the same time might just lead to people thinking 'fuck it' too.

I hope that in six months we can really turn the tide for Remain: and start getting the message out about what good value the EU is for us.

Beware that, although the pressure feels less today, May’s saying that if she can get her deal through, we’ll be leaving the very next month, so it may be much sooner than October.

We need to keep campaigning.

Off to do some research on the Politics of Uncertainty.

I think there is some theory out there that eventually uncertainty just becomes the new normal and people stop being bothered by it. Actually might be one of the factors driving age gap in propensity to vote Leave - there comes a point in Life when you finally accept there is only One Certainty.

Business must be livid at all this bollocks.
It's hard enough to plan on a micro level, but macro???micro
The Tories will never be able to call themselves the party of business again.

What new fresh car crash is this?

Oh just an EU citz data leak...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-47888214?__twitter_impression=TRUE
Brexit: Home Office sorry for EU citizen data breach

@JakubKrupa
"Worth remembering that (...) the vote on a potential second referendum lost in the HoC by, if I remember well, 12 votes. (...) It's not my role to organise or support those campaigning for a referendum, (...) but I can keep my personal hope up that Brits may change their mind"

Matty🇬🇧🇪🇺@Doozy_45
Donald Tusk: "In this time, UK will also have the possibility of revoking article 50 and cancel Brexit altogether." #EU #Brexit #PeoplesVote

@jonworth
But hey ho. I’ll be an EU citizen for 6 more months! 🎉 🥳

Thanks to maud's DP for going to #Sodem.
Horseshit and others waiting for residency papers, and a thousand apologies for this government.
Great to hear your housemove can hopefully go smoothly red

EU elections and (?) Confirmatory Ballot, here we come.

We need to keep campaigning
We know so much more about the EU than we did then; we also know a helluva lot more about what the other side actually is.

The EU certainly does.

found the Peston tweet about May’s response to PV question at PMQ interesting

What was that?

I can’t believe her reason for this extension was saying she was in unprecedented talks with the opposition, when it’s clear that these are amounting to absolutely nothing-if they haven’t crumbled already- and it’s back to the choice of ‘her deal (over which there is no movement) or no deal’

Sky News: It's a new time frame but the same problems

So true

Ann Morris (ERG member) on BBC Breakfast the national broadcaster insists that the people were asked and said they wanted to leave, so it was absolutely wrong to ask them again but then quite comfortably talked about trying to get the 1922 to change their rules so that the backbenchers could get rid of her before December (and she wasn't challenged on the inconsistency )

The 1922 Committee

...and she wasn't challenged on the inconsistency.

And therein lies the problem with the state broadcaster; it's their passive acceptance of utter shit which is spouted and not challenged. If the 'journalists' did their job properly, the public would be far better informed of what is actually accurate and able to be achieved.

Though, in her defence, Emily Maitlis on Newsnight does seem to challenge the drivel.

PMK thanks as always Red & all contributors.

Though, in her defence, Emily Maitlis on Newsnight does seem to challenge the drivel

So does Martha Kearney.
We need Eddie Mair back too.

I'm not sure many people watch Newsnight though, sadly.

I inadvertently switched on 'Today' when I got up (knew the result, I was still awake when it came through last night) only to hear J Humphries raving on about No Deal and asking Kwasi Kwarteng whether he'd still back it.

Looks like I can book a holiday in October half term now, too (couldn't do now, or May half term, anyway due to ds' GCSEs).

Got to say I really don't think the BBC is a Tory or Brexit mouthpiece. However, there probably is a degree of fear over the licence fee. I don't mind paying the licence fee, but maybe the BBC should be funded another way to avoid these kinds of allegations. That's another thread!

Personally I think the BBC being in favour of Brexit would be turkeys voting for Christmas, but I suppose there are plenty of other instances of that.

I agree havingtoo. I follow some
leave accounts on Twitter to avoid living in an echo chamber and the BBC are always accused by them of being Remain leaning.

Like Francois' "Spartan' nonsense, I do dislike their use of the word 'deliver' wrt 'brexit.

Correct verb is 'impose'.

Iambuffy's post about increases food bankuse and austerity caused by the Tories reminded me of this petition which is ending on the 26th of May.
Stop Universal Credit and let claimants stay on the original benefits.
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/233127
Currently 15,614

^We need to keep campaigning
We know so much more about the EU than we did then; we also know a helluva lot more about what the other side actually is.^
The EU certainly does.

I think that’s one of the reasons they’ve granted these extensions: we’re not the only country to be plagued by far right agitators.
They want to know what’s behind it all.

Thanks for the new thread Red!
Yes I think having the time and space will see a marked difference to attitudes, as we have since already since the deadline of 29th March has passed. That is why JH is raving about No Deal, he can see the waning public support.

I saw a picture yesterday on Guardian (?) of Francois arriving on a stage and the audience with their arms out to him, like some sort of idol. It keeps popping into my mind [sick]

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