Westminstenders: 1001 Ways to wait for EUCO - Sprouts, Nits and Brexit

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Not much more to say other than, all we can do is wait to hear our fate.

Which seems to lie in the hands of Macron.

I think these tweet sums a lot of it up from a couple of jaded soft leavers

Iain Martin @ iainmartin1
This terrible farce in Brussels tonight is like being British during the eurovision song contest. British entrant awaits fate, watching humiliating results come in, trying to smile for the audience back home.

George Trefgarne @georgetrefgarne
To be honest I think Buck’s Fizz and Cheryl thingummy would have made a better job of it

My advice: Don't wait up!

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
EU source on Macron: "He is in a bit of a schizophrenic situation - (his) domestic audience demands that he is tough on Britain for historic reasons. On the other hand, France is among the most-hit in any no-deal Brexit. It will take hours before we pull him down from his tree."

So Macron may end up being the one who gets the UK what it wants but is doing it to be tough on us. I'm not sure I understand EU politics.

DG It's legally binding and for extradition to any country with capital punishment, not just the USA

At the extraditon hearing, the UK judge specifies that the extradition will be under the condition of no execution;
the US side have to agree, or no extradition.

All of this is in formal legal text and is binding under international law.

Of course, the UK govt itself could try to remove this condition,
but iirc the defendant's lawyer could object under the ECHR and also the UK Human Rights Act

The govt would have to repeal & replace some legislation

And.

@StevePeers
European Arrest Warrant law will now probably apply to the UK until October 31st, due to the extension of EU membership. (Even without that, ordinary extradition law would apply). EAW law leaves it to UK authorities to assess whether to prioritise EAW or US extradition request.

People seem to focus on 31st Oct as a deadline. It's not a deadline.
If TM goes to them between now and then and says x,y,z is underway we need more time, they will grant it. And if she gets the WA approved before then, then we can leave.
So it's actually any day between now and 31st Oct or even beyond that.
She'll just try to get it through before 21st may and we dont do the parliamentary elections. I don't think a general election will happen and I'm glad because it's not a good idea.

iirc the defendant's lawyer could object under the ECHR and also the UK Human Rights Act
Seems to be the case, BCF

‏ @davidallengreen
This is just a statement of UK law, as it stands under the HRA and ECHR. Adds nothing to general legal position.

Would be unlawful for anyone to be extradited to face torture or death penalty.

@alextomo
Ecuadorean Pres Moreno says UK govt has confirmed in writing JA will not be extradited to any death penalty/torture country (eg USA) Foreign Office Minister Alan Duncan confirms this deal.

The UK helping to convict someone already facing the death penalty in the USA - is a different matter to what would have happened if he had needed to be extradited from the UK.

In the case you linked, the suspect was taken directly from the Middle East to the USA

Remember, the UK has already used information extracted by the US intelligence services under torture

ECHR and HRA for the next 6 months. Wooohoo!
Human Rights for Summer.

@BCF ...

tx - the ISIS stories are slightly different as they aren't extraditions from the UK. However they are of UK citizens - and therefore should still have the protections of the ECHR.

ECHR and HRA for the next 6 months. Wooohoo!

Despite the hyperbole, they are not affected by Brexit.

Whisky The Uk can Brexit before 31 October, but the EU has said no further extensions.

Very dangerous if people assume the EU will continue to give extensions for as long as it takes for the UK to make up its mind

A promise by a UK PM that things are "underway" would NOT be enough for an extension

At the very least, for the EU to even start considering a further extension - which someone might still veto -

there would have to be a signed Labour-Tory agreement on a deal
AND the HoC would already have had to pass the PV legislation

• with a sufficiently large majority that a new PM couldn't reverse it

(but what about a GE producing a different HoC ?)

^Ian Dunt
@IanDunt
Macron had been pretty dismal here. There really is no meaningful advantage to October over December except for him to look tough, but shortening it has limited the options^

So all those EU citz who are currently getting shafted with their settled status also have another 6 months to get on the case of the British government too...

I do try to follow these threads, though only get to post occasionally.

Anyone who stands for election to the European Parliament on a "Remain" ticket will get my vote.

DG Uk citizens in other countries can be imprisoned flogged or executed abroad, without the Uk being able / required to do anything
The ECHR applies only within European countries, or by their forces abroad - hence we can't legally torture or murder abroad ourselves

There was a UK citizen on Death Row for years, who was released due to new evidence
He said the UK authorities ignored him

this from. Bcf The Uk can Brexit before 31 October, but the EU has said no further extensions.

Yes they definitely said no further extensions. And rightly so.

I take it people have seen the application form for Independent group candidates for the EU elections? Deadline is Monday!

www.theindependent.group/candidate-application-form

Actually, they didn't say no further extensions, it was reported that the possibility was there this morning.

But the political bar for another extension would be much much higher apparently.

Anyone who stands for election to the European Parliament on a "Remain" ticket will get my vote.

It's hard to see how a candidate could campaign on a "Leave" ticket really ...

I'll have to refresh my understanding of the PR system used in the EP, but I'm hoping it will reflect a more overall mood than FPTP - certainly in the %age of support for pro-EU candidates.

Which raises the question what the Tory and Labour tickets will be ? Presumably the ERG will threaten all sorts if the Tories try and stand on anything but a "Leave" platform. (No loss to me, not voting Tory).

Whatever the arrangement, I want it "80% proof", so there's no danger of some ocean going twat claiming it reflects a leave vote.

Just had an email from the TIGers inviting me to be a candidate ... wheres my white toga ...

It's the D'Hondt system.

It's a party lists system but with regions not countrywide. That's one of the reasons why no one knows who their MEP is.

I wonder if Assange's arrest now is anything to do with Carol Cadwalladr's mysterious US Justice plane spotting a few threads ago?

Go DRG!

I think it's pretty obvious how some candidates will have a Leave ticket. Go into EU parliament, get cash and expenses, be an annoying twat if you can be bothered to turn up at all, raise your profile, blaze of "glory" on your way out.

I mean DGR

I've vaguely pondered about standing as a candidate, but as someone who has already been targeted online locally and threatened by EDL types, I don't have the stomach for it at the moment.

I'm in a strong Leave area. I'm staying well below the parapet. I'll vote for anyone who isn't a fascist or DUP type who says they want us to Revoke. And no one around here will know I've done it.
I will, as I have always done, take my dd with me to see the importance with which I hold voting. But she won't see how I vote (she'll guess )