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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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prettybird · 03/04/2019 17:26

I've met Nicola on many occasions over the years (she's my constituency MSP) and I've always been impressed by her (Alex Salmond less so, he was a big puffed up). She doorstepped us in 1997 when I was still a Labour voter (she turned a safe Labour seat much less safe that GE) and she spent 45 minutes discussing issues, very courteously, with dh (and if you knew dh, you'd know that was quite an achievement Wink) - but above all she was trying to persuade him to vote - for anyone - and not just spoil his vote.

prettybird · 03/04/2019 17:28

I did think that this vote would be tight Shock

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:28

Ooo rumour of tie...

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lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 17:28

Me too Bercows I was up to speed at 3.20 and now I'm also ... What's going on?! I've been cooking dinner and lost track

tobee · 03/04/2019 17:29

Hmm. Did I say Groundhog Day? Maybe not. A tie would be interesting

dreichuplands · 03/04/2019 17:29

bercoe looks like the vote is a tie.

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 17:29

I love his tie today but what is the vote on?

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:29

Well I DID say I wanted a tie.

Constitution generally is speaker votes for status quo but Erskine may does allow speakers discretion

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RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:30

310 to 310

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 03/04/2019 17:30

A tie!

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:30

Speakers vote!!!

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SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 17:30

How rare is a tie?

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 17:30

what Speaker Bercow does with this will be very interesting!!

MockerstheFeManist · 03/04/2019 17:30

Bugger me sideways, a tie.

So Bercow votes for....?

....The Govt.

Somerville · 03/04/2019 17:31

Darn it.

woman19 · 03/04/2019 17:31

Draw.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:31

He's gone no.

That's one for the government

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BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 17:31

Parliament live crashed on my phone 😩

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 17:31

Convention says that the speaker should make a casting vote for the status quo

dreichuplands · 03/04/2019 17:31

More votes!
I think it is Benn's indicative vote for Monday.

One of the most important, albeit very rarely used, powers the Speaker has is to exercise the casting vote in the event of a draw. The use of this power is governed by a long-standing principle aimed at maintaining the Speaker’s impartiality, namely that they should not vote against the overall majority. The Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid making final decisions by a casting vote. In practice, this means that a tie at second reading should be resolved by the Speaker voting for the bill – on the basis that there will then be opportunity for further discussion. At third reading they would vote against, on the basis that the law should not be changed except with the will of the entire House.

1tisILeClerc · 03/04/2019 17:32

{SPEAkers vote?}
They could always toss for it. There are plenty of candidates.

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 17:32

Last tie was 1993. And it was for the maastrict treaty. According to Bercow’s memory. On an amendment on social chapter

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SassyBadger · 03/04/2019 17:32

Wow! Pretty rare then.

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 17:33

Well I never, he's actually done what he's supposed to Grin

Runningintothesunset · 03/04/2019 17:33

So that’s the only time he’s ever had to do it Shock