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Westminstenders: The May Compromise

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RedToothBrush · 02/04/2019 19:20

After a marathon cabinet meeting, which no one seems to have resigned from, May has had another podium moment.

This time instead of blaming everyone but herself, she's gone for the 'let's compromise approach' to Corbyn.

This comes after Nick Boles crossed the floor saying his side wasn't prepared to compromise on anything after May secretly whipped on a 'free' vote against him.

May also said she we needed more of an extension to the 22nd May but without promise of EU elections this means No Deal inevitable if May can't pass the WA by then. Provided EU allow an extension until then without EU elections.

She also hinted at respecting a majority idea over indicative votes, if she and Corbyn fail to agree - remembering she tried successfully to sabotage that last night.

Already many are saying this is a trap to ensnare others into the mess that is Brexit in the blame game. With no deal ultimately the end goal.

The idea that May can find a compromise with Corbyn seems a fantasy.

And the EU might have every reason to refuse a longer extension under the circumstances.

For May to compromise she surely would have to break the Tories to do it as Labour will only go for a soft option which is unacceptable to the ERG. Unless her idea of compromise is simply its the WA or No deal which it seems hard to conceive Labour going near with the realistic prospect of the next PM being a hardliner.

All in all it seems more likely to be a framing exercise in damage limitation rather than something which has more substance and a realistic prospect of working. And if that's really the case, it certainly would explain why no one's resigned yet.

Indicative Votes 3 and a pretty dodgy Cooper Amendment designed to be a last ditch attempt to prevent no deal are both scheduled.

Its desparation stakes and the EU more or less have us down as a failed state. And the pro Brexit bombs don't really add much optimist to the mood.

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doIreallyneedto · 03/04/2019 12:59

@Sostenueto - you obviously missed my poor attempt at irony. My apologies.

I got your irony. I was being a bit facetious. Apologies back at you Wink

(Note to self - use emojis to illustrate tone)

1tisILeClerc · 03/04/2019 13:01

Paras and the 'speciality' forces should never be deployed for peacekeeping activities. They are the 'wrong equipment' for the job. They should never have been deployed in Ireland. They are trained to kill without much 'thought' as milliseconds count when in the places they should be. They are working in a world almost mirroring what you and I usually see and if they are 'slow' or think too long, they are dead, therefore useless.
Seeing armed security at a UK airport, they are mostly 'middle age' and you see them as peoples husbands or fathers, obviously a job to do but relatively unthreatening. Same job in the middle east you see 19-25 year olds and the attitude is rather different and it is not a 'reassuring' feeling.
As this is a Brexit thread, we can happily argue that T May is the 'wrong tool for the job'. As leader of the UK she should be able to properly engage with other world leaders. She does not.

Motheroffourdragons · 03/04/2019 13:10

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Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 13:13

dolreallyneedto no worries here and enjoy!CakeBrewSmile

Sostenueto · 03/04/2019 13:15

OK odds needed to see who will come out of meeting with the most damage to their parties?

prettybird · 03/04/2019 13:22

Can England (and Wales Wink) not secede from the UK and so be made leave the EU? Grin That should make everyone** happy (1) Smile

After all, that's what Scotland was told would be the consequence of leaving the UK back in the Indyref campaign, 2 years before the EU Referendum* Hmm
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(1) I recognise that there are lots of Remainers in England who wouldn't be happy Sad But you can always move to Scotland as we actively need more immigration Grin

GlassOfPort · 03/04/2019 13:28

De-lurking to share the latest prediction by Jon Worth

twitter.com/jonworth/status/1113052470996078600

His diagram has no deal at 17% and general election at 26%.

Of course you can argue with the underlying assumptions, but it's an interesting attempt to rationally model a chaotic process..

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 13:30

Pippa Crerar @pippacrerar
NEW: Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May will meet in her Commons office at 2.30 for around an hour. PM taking chief whip & Brexit Sec & officials. Labour same, but also shadow biz secretary Rebecca Long-Bailey, indicating priority of workers’ rights.

Long-Bailey’s attendance, when her Tory counterpart is not there, will raise eyebrows among Labour MPs. She is not a fan of second referendum. Plus many believe she’s being lined up as potential Corbyn successor.

Starmer going to the meeting then.

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DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 13:31

Seeing armed security at a UK airport, they are mostly 'middle age' and you see them as peoples husbands or fathers, obviously a job to do but relatively unthreatening

an awful lot of UK "security" is really theatre and just there for show.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 13:36

Thank god Starmer is going!

DadDadDad · 03/04/2019 13:37

OK, so MPs have been seriously arguing over how to overcome the stalemate for months, and the two front benches are going to sort it out in one hour?! Shock

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 13:38

Thank god Starmer is going!

I find myself wondering if he's going as Jezza's "minder" ...

RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 13:38

The Malthouse Compromise has been revived. Remember it got a majority on a previous vote.

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RedToothBrush · 03/04/2019 13:39

Apparently his minder is Long Bailey. Do you think they are both there to stop him throwing a strop because someone he doesn't like might attend in a deliberate May Trap?

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CordeliaEarhart · 03/04/2019 13:40

The Malthouse Compromise - aka The Malthouse Unicorn

LouiseCollins28 · 03/04/2019 13:41

DGR "an awful lot of UK "security" is really theatre and just there for show." Another example of an odd tendency on here, some odd little comment, but no indication of what is actually wanted to change.

  • Do you want more heavily armed security?
  • Would you rather they weren't there at all?

Why do people down like that, who are doing their jobs? Just why?

dreichuplands · 03/04/2019 13:43

Wake up this morning to see my tool of an MP has resigned from the government, which is a shame in as much as he would have suffered having to work with Labour. He has been wittering on about managed no deal for a while so I'm not surprised. DH and I have asked him repeatedly what a managed no deal looks like. You may be surprised to discover he hasn't been able to share the details.
He is however a BoJo fan!

DGRossetti · 03/04/2019 13:48

DGR "an awful lot of UK "security" is really theatre and just there for show." Another example of an odd tendency on here, some odd little comment, but no indication of what is actually wanted to change.

Pay me, and you'll get it. Otherwise - with all due respect - why the fuck are we paying taxes for other people to sort stuff out for us ?

Why do people down like that, who are doing their jobs? Just why?

because their job is to give people a false sense of security ?

Tonsilss · 03/04/2019 13:54

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LonelyTiredandLow · 03/04/2019 13:55

@DadDadDad agree completely - she had 5+ hours with her own cabinet who, although divided into camps are 'on her side'. An hour with JC isn't a serious offer of compromise.

NoWordForFluffy · 03/04/2019 13:56

Apparently his minder is Long Bailey. Do you think they are both there to stop him throwing a strop because someone he doesn't like might attend in a deliberate May Trap?

Yep, protecting him from himself!

Malthouse is the 'manager no deal'? Why are our MPs such idiots? 😡

BercowsSilkTie · 03/04/2019 13:56

To be fair it won't take long for them to tell each other to fuck off.

BlueEyeshadow · 03/04/2019 13:57

For when has the Maltloaf Unicorn been revived? What do they want to attach it to?