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Westministenders: Happy Birthday Chris Grayling!

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RedToothBrush · 31/03/2019 22:35

Yep he's an April Fool. No really he is!

Today (1st April - I'm starting the thread slightly early) is the return of Indicative Votes.

This follows the defeat of May's Deal by 286 to 344 on Friday.

The Sunday Press has been full of talk of a Cabinet Collapse with 10 Cabinet Brexiteers threatening to walk, with the support of 170 Tory MPs, if May goes for a softer Brexit or fails to leave the EU by 22nd May regardless of whether this is with a Deal or with No Deal and Remain Cabinet Members threatening to walk if May goes for No Deal.

This is in addition to May's apparent threat that the House was at its limits for the process which has been taken as meaning she is considering a GE. Which both Tory Brexiteers and Tory Remainers say they will block. The threat of a GE has largely been seen as a threat to force MPs to back her deal.

May now faces the choice she has always resisted, which on the face of it, looks like it could cause a split in the Tory Party. She will obviously do everything she can to avoid making that choice. Her solution seems to be MV4 with the Snell / Nandy Amendment, which gives parliament a say in the next phase of Brexit. This theorectically is about the Political Declaration (PD) which the Indicative Votes essentially is about.

However it needs to be stressed repeatedly that the EU have said, that they do not care about the PD and all soft Brexits (variations on May's current PD) also require the WA to pass, such is the EU's distrust in the UK. This would include the Common Market 2.0 suggestion (Boles Amendment 189-283), despite what various MPs have suggested simply because it could be used as a temporary transition by the backdoor and CM2.0 doesn't cover certain aspects of withdrawal such as the divorce settlement, long term citizens rights and fishing rights amongst others. And this is going to be a big issue when it comes to the DUP who are now leaning to a soft Brexit or even revocation.

In light of this apparent Government Nervous Breakdown John Major has raised the prospect of a temporary government of National Unity, which is difficult to envisage how that would work given the current parliamentary polarisation. Indeed Labour have ruled this possibility out.

There has also been comments made that any policy passed by Parliament stemming from Indicative Votes could be ignored by May by her using her status of PM to ask the Queen to refuse to give it Royal Ascent. Which surely would go down a storm with her Majesty to be asked to be embroiled into this political pantomine.

Voting on the Indicative Votes is due to start at 8pm - 8.30pm tomorrow with a debate before it.

The Options on the table (but yet to be selected by the Speaker) are:
A) Baron, unilateral backstop exit.

B) Baron, if no WA by then, no-deal Brexit on 12/4. 160-400

C) Clarke, permanent UK-wide customs union. 265-271

D) Boles, Common Market 2.0 (EEA+CU).
Broadly similar to motion from last week, with some changes. 189-283

^E) Kyle / Beckett, WA + PD approval subject to confirmatory PV. 268-295

F) Jones/Grieve, PV if necessary to prevent no deal. Not previously tabled.

G) Cherry, A50 revocation as default if necessary to prevent no deal.
More detailed version of last weeks motion. 184-293

H) Eustice, EFTA+EEA.
Slightly modified version from last week. 64-377

Clark and Boles amendments are the ones to watch. They have apparently gathered more support since last week. Boles CM2.0 appears to have Labour swinging support behind it, unofficially atm.

May is also under pressure to allow the Cabinet Free Votes this time on the CU vote (they abstained last week). Whether this will happen is still anyone's guess.

There is also talk of an alternative 'Custom's Partnership' idea - a fudge that would see the UK stay in parts of a customs union. This idea has been previously rejected by the EU and the Cabinet. But we know how much May loves her fudges.

Robert Peston is saying tonight that whether May and the Government fall may rest on how much support the Customs Union and her allies are desparate for it to get a parliamentary majority - particularly with support from more Conservatives (it only got 35 Tory Votes last time). This would mark a breakthrough and the first positive majority for Brexit.

If it passes, the suggestion is that MV4 will be Tuesday. Of course it remains to be seen if ERG hardliners who switched last week would continue to support her deal if she goes for a CU option and whether getting a parliamentary majority for a CU plus the Snell Amendment would be sufficient to persuade enough Labour MPs, the DUP and perhaps Tory Remainers to push it over the line.

However May going for the CU could provoke a Cabinet resignations or even splits in the party meaning that MV4 on Tuesday is somehow impossible or at least delayed.

Expect May to keep her cards to her chest about whether she will go for a CU as long as possible as a result. (Possibly NOT before a MV4).

Meanwhile it looks like there might be a storm brewing about the stripping of NI born Irish citizens of their EU citizenship, which seems to be in breech of the GFA.

And the Tory Leadership contest is in full swing. Hunt and Javid have been labelled as The TiTs (Theresa in Trousers), Johnson is styling himself as a One Nation Tory (although he is not a member of the One Nation Group within the party) who will bring sweeping tax cuts, and Grayling is saying the next leader must be a Cabinet Minister with experience and has always been a Brexiteer.

And Finally, David Allen Green raises a concern about a potential new exit day, if it changes from 12 April.

David Allen Green @ Davidallengreen
If a new exit day is not agreed until 10/11 April (ie European Council), there will be not enough time for exit day in domestic legislation to be amended in time before 12 April. It was close this time, with the shift from 29 March.

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havingtochangeusernameagain · 01/04/2019 17:44

The ERG aren't naked are they? I don't think I could bear the sight of the member of the Member of Parliament for North East Somerset

Envy not envy!

NoWordForFluffy · 01/04/2019 17:44

I think there was talk of a naked JRM a while ago. Envy < not envy.

Why would you do something which is probably an arrestable offence? But then I'm more law-abiding than some!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 01/04/2019 17:45

Goes off to feed children. Comes back for a catch up. Sees talk of naked ERG. Goes off to 🤮

BercowsSilkTie · 01/04/2019 17:46

I recommend tibilone. I had it during a clinical trial. Originally during previous treatment I had prem-pak C. Changed gynaecologist and he put me on tibilone stating he wouldn't give the other one to his cat!

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:46

Dr had never even heard of it!

ContinuityError · 01/04/2019 17:46

KoraBora DH was in a suit heading up to present at a conference (although he is large and has a No 1 haircut). That’s the only reason he didn’t decide to take more of a stand - didn’t want to miss the flight.

1tisILeClerc · 01/04/2019 17:48

I was reliably informed that the menopause doesn't exist.
One of my reasons to be on MN.

Stilltalkstotrees · 01/04/2019 17:48

Looks like very soft Brexit and/or long extension. Too early for a little 💃🏼🎉?

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:48

Send that person(s) to me leclerc

AutumnCrow · 01/04/2019 17:49

Naked ERG members. 🙈🙉🙊 Oh dear lord.

tobee · 01/04/2019 17:50

Don't count your 🥚 🐓 @Stilltalkstotrees

1tisILeClerc · 01/04/2019 17:51

{Please, please tell me it's not Rees mogg in a mankini}
I thought you 'girls' enjoy a laugh.
Mind you the choice of chipolatas for tea has been cancelled.

BercowsSilkTie · 01/04/2019 17:51

@1tisILeClerc after being out into 7 medical menopauses as treatment for endometriosis I can assure anyone that the menopause most certainly does exist and is a bitch from Hell. The headaches, the crappy skin, the mood swings, the weight gain, the hot flushes, the sweatiness. I was 19 to mid 20s and it was fucking awful. Until they gave me HRT

DGRossetti · 01/04/2019 17:52

I was reliably informed that the menopause doesn't exist.

I can "reliably" inform you as to the reverse. No emoticons - it's not a laughing matter.

The80sweregreat · 01/04/2019 17:52

I'm no Tory but I have a soft spot for Ken Clarke. Not all Conservatives are like Rees Mogg: Boris etc.
If only the moderate MPs could come together to form a party. A centre type party.

NoWordForFluffy · 01/04/2019 17:55

KC used to be my MP. I've a lot of time for him.

DGRossetti · 01/04/2019 17:55

From that Twitter:

During the Brexit debate the public gallery of the Commons has been invaded by "climate justice" protesters, naked except for thongs. MPs trying very hard not to look, or not to be seen looking

FFS ...

tobee · 01/04/2019 17:56

Another view

Westministenders: Happy Birthday Chris Grayling!
insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:56

Thanks again all - just distracting again re menopause the night sweats the night sweats just exhaust me.

Thanks for the tips I am going to try make an appointment although getting an appointment with my gp takes about a month at the moment.

Anyhow let's hope there is no Brexit. Smile

Sostenueto · 01/04/2019 17:56

I wasn't allowed HRT cos I lost womb etc through cancer hence now suffering among other things from osteoporosis and am now 2 inches shorter! Also just had phonecall from doctors apparently pregabalin is now a class C drug ( I thought it was anyway?Confused) and so am being sent off to pain clinic againHmm

dreichuplands · 01/04/2019 17:57

I had a medical menopause as part of ivf treatment, I'm really hoping that the natural one is less brutal. Anyway they exist in my experience.

Hoping for a sensible way forward, is this too much to ask for on April 1st?

1tisILeClerc · 01/04/2019 17:58

Sorry it's a derail. The person saying it was in a minority of 1 while exhibiting the list mentioned by BercowsSilktie and more. 400 miles is a comfortable distance away.

AutumnCrow · 01/04/2019 17:58

The politics of HRT are bloody fascinating. Some GPs sadly are like Christopher Chope crossed with Sammy Wilson. Women, suffer in silence. And then get the side effects you deserve it you dont. Spawn of Eve!

I would advise politely but firmly insisting on ditching the tablets, and go for transdermal ie patches or gels. Whether you need oestrogen only or not depends on whether you still have a uterus. NICE guidelines are refreshed and pretty clear. It's a shame some GPs aren't up to speed.

dontcallmelen · 01/04/2019 18:01

PMK, thanks as always to Red & all the other fantastic knowledgeable posters, I as always have no idea what’s going on which is probably much better for my MH at the moment.

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