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Westministenders: Happy Birthday Chris Grayling!

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RedToothBrush · 31/03/2019 22:35

Yep he's an April Fool. No really he is!

Today (1st April - I'm starting the thread slightly early) is the return of Indicative Votes.

This follows the defeat of May's Deal by 286 to 344 on Friday.

The Sunday Press has been full of talk of a Cabinet Collapse with 10 Cabinet Brexiteers threatening to walk, with the support of 170 Tory MPs, if May goes for a softer Brexit or fails to leave the EU by 22nd May regardless of whether this is with a Deal or with No Deal and Remain Cabinet Members threatening to walk if May goes for No Deal.

This is in addition to May's apparent threat that the House was at its limits for the process which has been taken as meaning she is considering a GE. Which both Tory Brexiteers and Tory Remainers say they will block. The threat of a GE has largely been seen as a threat to force MPs to back her deal.

May now faces the choice she has always resisted, which on the face of it, looks like it could cause a split in the Tory Party. She will obviously do everything she can to avoid making that choice. Her solution seems to be MV4 with the Snell / Nandy Amendment, which gives parliament a say in the next phase of Brexit. This theorectically is about the Political Declaration (PD) which the Indicative Votes essentially is about.

However it needs to be stressed repeatedly that the EU have said, that they do not care about the PD and all soft Brexits (variations on May's current PD) also require the WA to pass, such is the EU's distrust in the UK. This would include the Common Market 2.0 suggestion (Boles Amendment 189-283), despite what various MPs have suggested simply because it could be used as a temporary transition by the backdoor and CM2.0 doesn't cover certain aspects of withdrawal such as the divorce settlement, long term citizens rights and fishing rights amongst others. And this is going to be a big issue when it comes to the DUP who are now leaning to a soft Brexit or even revocation.

In light of this apparent Government Nervous Breakdown John Major has raised the prospect of a temporary government of National Unity, which is difficult to envisage how that would work given the current parliamentary polarisation. Indeed Labour have ruled this possibility out.

There has also been comments made that any policy passed by Parliament stemming from Indicative Votes could be ignored by May by her using her status of PM to ask the Queen to refuse to give it Royal Ascent. Which surely would go down a storm with her Majesty to be asked to be embroiled into this political pantomine.

Voting on the Indicative Votes is due to start at 8pm - 8.30pm tomorrow with a debate before it.

The Options on the table (but yet to be selected by the Speaker) are:
A) Baron, unilateral backstop exit.

B) Baron, if no WA by then, no-deal Brexit on 12/4. 160-400

C) Clarke, permanent UK-wide customs union. 265-271

D) Boles, Common Market 2.0 (EEA+CU).
Broadly similar to motion from last week, with some changes. 189-283

^E) Kyle / Beckett, WA + PD approval subject to confirmatory PV. 268-295

F) Jones/Grieve, PV if necessary to prevent no deal. Not previously tabled.

G) Cherry, A50 revocation as default if necessary to prevent no deal.
More detailed version of last weeks motion. 184-293

H) Eustice, EFTA+EEA.
Slightly modified version from last week. 64-377

Clark and Boles amendments are the ones to watch. They have apparently gathered more support since last week. Boles CM2.0 appears to have Labour swinging support behind it, unofficially atm.

May is also under pressure to allow the Cabinet Free Votes this time on the CU vote (they abstained last week). Whether this will happen is still anyone's guess.

There is also talk of an alternative 'Custom's Partnership' idea - a fudge that would see the UK stay in parts of a customs union. This idea has been previously rejected by the EU and the Cabinet. But we know how much May loves her fudges.

Robert Peston is saying tonight that whether May and the Government fall may rest on how much support the Customs Union and her allies are desparate for it to get a parliamentary majority - particularly with support from more Conservatives (it only got 35 Tory Votes last time). This would mark a breakthrough and the first positive majority for Brexit.

If it passes, the suggestion is that MV4 will be Tuesday. Of course it remains to be seen if ERG hardliners who switched last week would continue to support her deal if she goes for a CU option and whether getting a parliamentary majority for a CU plus the Snell Amendment would be sufficient to persuade enough Labour MPs, the DUP and perhaps Tory Remainers to push it over the line.

However May going for the CU could provoke a Cabinet resignations or even splits in the party meaning that MV4 on Tuesday is somehow impossible or at least delayed.

Expect May to keep her cards to her chest about whether she will go for a CU as long as possible as a result. (Possibly NOT before a MV4).

Meanwhile it looks like there might be a storm brewing about the stripping of NI born Irish citizens of their EU citizenship, which seems to be in breech of the GFA.

And the Tory Leadership contest is in full swing. Hunt and Javid have been labelled as The TiTs (Theresa in Trousers), Johnson is styling himself as a One Nation Tory (although he is not a member of the One Nation Group within the party) who will bring sweeping tax cuts, and Grayling is saying the next leader must be a Cabinet Minister with experience and has always been a Brexiteer.

And Finally, David Allen Green raises a concern about a potential new exit day, if it changes from 12 April.

David Allen Green @ Davidallengreen
If a new exit day is not agreed until 10/11 April (ie European Council), there will be not enough time for exit day in domestic legislation to be amended in time before 12 April. It was close this time, with the shift from 29 March.

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TheMShip · 01/04/2019 17:29

Also need to hold EP elections under any extension scenario.

The80sweregreat · 01/04/2019 17:29

Farage has never been an MP just an MEP.

AutumnCrow · 01/04/2019 17:30

Ken Clarke is 79? Goodness. He's got more stamina than most of his younger Party colleagues.

Making great points about animal welfare and food standards.

insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:31

What hrt patches are unavailable??really - I am peri and was wanting to get some... wtf Angry is this because of Brexit ??

NoWordForFluffy · 01/04/2019 17:35

Naproxen has been a bit wonky for a while in the dose I was taking before Christmas.

I only take amitriptyline and omeprazole now and haven't had any worries with those (and expect to be off both soon too).

BercowsSilkTie · 01/04/2019 17:35

That's the kind of tie I'd have bought my late dad back in the day. I'm betting Bercow's is not from M&S though!

I like Clarke too. Calm, dignified, knowledgable. Talks sense. He's aware of the wider issues.

AutumnCrow · 01/04/2019 17:36

Evorel twice-weekly patches are available (and safe). (Both with and without the norethisterone.)

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:36

Its Evorel conti patches.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/04/2019 17:36

Did something just happen in HOP? There seems to be some distraction and bemusement going on in the background.

DGRossetti · 01/04/2019 17:37

What hrt patches are unavailable??

They seem to have regular issues - so maybe nothing Brexity.

DW has an implant and a few years ago there was a worldwide shortage after a fault in a factory somewhere.

I suspect a lot of medicines are made on a JIT basis (after all holding stock is expensive and eats into profits patient care). So when a fault or recall is found, there is very little excess to fill the gap.

Nothing that Brexit can't make worse, though.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/04/2019 17:37

Some sort of protest going on....

insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:38

Thank you -autumncow

Don't want to derail but what is the difference between having the gel with or without the norethisterone?

Quite new to considering hrt...

insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:39

And again don't want to derail the thread.. and I appreciate the responses SmileSmile

OhYouBadBadKitten · 01/04/2019 17:40

Think it might be a naked protest.

I have estrogen only patches. I ordered an extra stock online just in case.

tobee · 01/04/2019 17:40

What Kyle is saying makes me wonder if the distraction is a streaker of some kind??? In the public gallery???

insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:41

thanks kitten

NoWordForFluffy · 01/04/2019 17:41

A naked protest? By whom?! 😱

tobee · 01/04/2019 17:41

Must be a bottom!?!?

Pilcrow · 01/04/2019 17:41

Twitter says a protest by 'climate justice' activists, naked apart from thongs..... Hmm

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:41

My dr seems unaware that there is a gel option.

Tried oral HRT and it made me have severe migraines.

So hoping the dr can come up with alternative!!

Quintella · 01/04/2019 17:41

The ERG aren't naked are they? I don't think I could bear the sight of the member of the Member of Parliament for North East Somerset.

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:42

Naked???

What?

Where??

67chevvyimpala · 01/04/2019 17:42

Please, please tell me it's not Rees mogg in a mankini
🤢

tobee · 01/04/2019 17:43

Quite a lot of contenders for the sights we do not wish to see in the chamber title

insaneduetobrexit · 01/04/2019 17:43

69chevy I thought you were supposed to be allowed to request gel over tablets as part of NICE guidance gel avoids your liver....

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