How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

[Bearbehind]

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

However Parliament is bound by the result in my option

The U.K.s sovereign parliament can not be bound. That is why it is sovereign.

This has been explained innumerable times yet you keep on insisting it was binding. It wasn't.

what is different about this referendum compared to the previous ten which have been honoured Windows?

A referendum can't be binding because parliament can not be bound.

We can make it harder to be ignored and put checks in place as happened with the Indy Ref but technically Parliament could still revoke.

That is because we have a sovereign parliament. Personally I would like much more judicial oversight and would have a written constitution that was sovereign.

I'm only explaining the system as it stands I don't actually agree with much of it btw.

Other referenda have been carefully worded and executed to fit with the will of the party that holds a majority.

Cameron was an incompetent dick.

bow I do believe you believe what you are saying, but could you explain why you are comfortable with ‘democracy’ being defined as

• a Prime Minister who wants to force essentially the same vote for the 4th time in matter of weeks, in order to get the answer she wants

Compared to

• a public vote 3 years after the original referendum , now that the reality is much clearer.

If we had a PV and the vote was still Leave I’d happily sit back and wait for the fireworks

I understand the system. I am simply saying that we have a precedent for Parliament acting upon the result.

The reason I disagree with a second referendum is because that would lead to more legal arguments and uncertainty. In the meantime we have food banks and austerity is killing our communities. That may not worry you and your family but I would like the UK to start focussing on those issues again.

bow please could you explain how you think the UK will focus on domestic issues whilst dealing with the monumental task of leaving the EU?

Those issues were always domestic.

Governments never bothered their arse to sort them before.

Why on earth would you think that will happen now when we’ve thrown ourselves off a cliff in every economic sense.

I actually disagree with a second referendum

Views are too entrenched.

Reality doesn’t factor in to too many Leavers decisions so it’s pointless.

Seriously? Brexit has dominated the thoughts of every politician for several years now. There has been no time and no energy for anything else. We need to accept the result and make it as workable as possible instead of shouting about how fucked we are.

bow you are talking nonsense.

‘Accepting the result’ means nothing because the ‘result’ Leavers wanted was all the benefits without the pesky bits like immigration.

Now it’s clear that it’s essentially all or nothing and that the issues of austerity etc are domestic and nothing to do with the EU, we need a reality check,

Even when we can take action to make us less fucked?

Nobody can possibly say what Leavers wanted. They voted Leave for lots of different reasons. They are not a homogenous mass.

It's interesting that I am taking a moderate line on this and for my trouble I have been called thick and that I am talking nonsense.

What action can we take without taking a sledgehammer to the democratic process? More importantly, is it worth it, even on an issue as important as membership of the EU?

Many prominent MPs have changed their minds on Brexit and/or the Deal-JRM, Boris, May...

The question did not specify what Brexit meant. We were told that Norway and Canada-plus type solutions were a definite possibility.

The Tories implemented ‘austerity’, they are perfectly happy to see people using food banks. They do not give a shit. At least if we remain in the EU the food in the food banks is affordable for the people buying it and safe to eat for the people eating it.

Similarly, the UK government never bothered to do anything about immigration before, they preferrred to blame the EU rather than do anything about it.

If we leave, the problems we have now don’t get magically solved. we will be making deals for years to come. The union might well break up. There is likely to be a lot of litigation. There is Northern Ireland to think about. Any government is going to have its hands well and truly full for a hell of a long time to come.

We need to accept the result and make it as workable as possible instead of shouting about how fucked we are.

And how do we do that without compromising the other Union? Dh used to be pretty much a poster boy for Unionism. His df's family vote for the Tories (and given that his ancestors used to send people to the colonies for stealing sheep, they have done so for a quite a while) and his dm's family all vote DUP. The whole Brexit fiasco now has him contemplating joining the SNP and whilst he might not go that far, he definitely intends voting for them.

Around here, I'd say he's not alone. The current mess shows clearer than anything else that Scotland and NI don't matter to our glorious leaders.

The mess wouldn't basically go away because the 17m people who voted leave would do exactly what remainers are now doing.

I liked what I heard someone reply in parliament yesterday about what is happening “fuck knows I’m past caring.”
Switching between total apathy and anger.
Remainers think leaving will wreak the economy,well they must be doing alright for themselves because the economy is fucked for so many people before we even had a vote.

Yes. Many voted leave because they have nothing. The status quo is not an attractive prospect for them. Things may get worse but they believed that there may a chance things could get better too. This how desperate people think.

My line hasn't changed at all joyfulllittlehippo. I am still making exactly the same points now as I was at the beginning of this thread.

I voted remain and now I am 'no deal'. I would have accepted WA but the politicians are pathetic. Sad to say but the country is now well and truly fucked.