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How are those Leave street parties going tonight?

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Bearbehind · 29/03/2019 20:53

So how are the celebrating going?

Didn’t exactly go to plan did it?

Has it started to sink in what a fucking mess this all is?

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mummmy2017 · 30/03/2019 18:04

Bear you seem to be your usual self, only as time goes tick tock and nothing gets decided, how will you react if the EU vote for us to go no deal?
Because nothing else seems to be on the table... That would let the EU have any hope of a deal.

Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 18:06

Seriously then if he has a sensible plan he needs to publish it and get it out there because literally no one else does

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:07

how will you react if the EU vote for us to go no deal?

WTF - how on earth do you think the EU can ‘vote’ for us to go no deal?

Is it just because you’ve convinced yourself that no deal is going to be the fault of the EU.

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:11

quartz he may well be. It's not that easy or quick to get things published though!

Quartz2208 · 30/03/2019 18:15

It is free on the internet - get people to share. If he really does have a solid idea as to how this can all work in practice

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:16

constanstz you said

He has some very thorough and well thought out arguements....I couldn't do them justice in a post in MN. He has always thought it was achievable and the best thing for the country. He's not racist, stupid or bigot ..... although these are assumptions made about people who voted leave.

Can you really not see, especially as an academic, how ridiculous that comment was in light of the fact it transpires you haven’t discussed, in 3 years, a topic that changes by the day, by the hour on some days.

I’m sure you’ll tell me I’m being patronising again but I literally cannot comprehend that situation.

As has been pointed out, academia often needs to meet the realities of the real world - a shit load has happened in 3 years, whilst nothing has really moved on at all.

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:19

That's not how academic publishing works. His university expects articles to be published in credible, peer reviewed journals. They use his work for REF purposes. Getting something written and published in this way is a lengthy process.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:21

How convenient.

He could write something anonymously.

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:24

Actually it is very convenient that academic publishing works in that way. It produces credible research.

I'm sure he'd be happy to ... If you provide him with some additional hours in his already over stretched workload and some childcare as I have writing deadlines to meet too.

BlackeyedGruesome · 30/03/2019 18:25

It was not a once in a lifetime vote as I was alive for the first referendum and that was a vote to stay in. So is it the death of democracy to ignore that vote? Or do we think that one is allowed to change ones mind, if so, what is the minimum period that needs to pass before one can change ones' mind?

How much new information does one need, how many changes in the EU, of the UK?

1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 18:26

{a shit load has happened in 3 years, whilst nothing has really moved on at all.}

Oh no, it's a LOT worse than that!
The government 'negotiating 'style' has vastly hardened the resolve of the EU and the sheer undiplomatic gestures made to people like the Prime Minister of Japan have severely weakened any negotiating position the UK had.
The world has been watching the UK making a complete arse of itself, with politicians lying, changing their story and acting out of good faith. The EU is rightly insisting on the Backstop because it knows that the UK is not acting in good faith and stupidly cabinet ministers have openly said they would disregard agreements made by Mrs May (if a new PM is elected).
The fact that the government have failed to meet any 'deadline', even ones it has set itself, over 3 years is a matter of deep disrespect to others.
So no the UK has leapt backwards and currently still has no plan.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:27

My heart bleeds constanza 😂

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:28

You asked 🤷

1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 18:29

{I'm sure he'd be happy to ... If you provide him with some additional hours in his already over stretched workload and some childcare as I have writing deadlines to meet too.}
This is a (predominantly) women's chat board, we don't expect the works of Shakespeare. A couple of random lines muttered over a cup of tea would be better than the vacuum we have had for the last 3 years from the 'leave' camp.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:30

I asked how you can possibly know your DH views are valid and well thought out on a subject which changes daily and which you haven’t discussed in 3 years but you’ve convienenlty ignored that question.

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1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 18:34

The amount of legislation to be changed from being 'in' the EU to being 'out' would probably take around 10 years to complete, if it is being done properly and cover all aspects. Of course both sides would need a clear coherent plan and a stated 'goal' to be reached over that 10 year period.
It has taken 40+ years to get 'in' and it has been an incremental additive process over these years. Getting out, with all the latest legislation will be very difficult.
When the UK joined there were essentially no home computers, internet abe everything else that has been developed.

CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:37

I think I answered that question quite well.

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:39

You should be a politician! You answered atotally different question.

I’m dying to hear how you know your DHs thoughts on Brexit are entirely valid when you’ve not discussed them in 3 years.

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CostanzaG · 30/03/2019 18:42

Because I respect him and trust his judgement. I don't ask him to justify every opinion he has.
Sorry if that seems difficult for you to comprehend.

1tisILeClerc · 30/03/2019 18:44

This lame string of excuses makes 'my dog ate my homework' seem like the literary works of Chaucer.

mummmy2017 · 30/03/2019 18:45

If the EU vote to not give an extension, then it is no deal.

Not fantasy. A fact. So how will you take this Bear

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:45

Sorry but that is absolute bollocks and exactly why we’re in this mess.

People can’t just take for granted that everyone’s opinion is valid on this subject and we all live happily ever after.

Leavers need to come up with answers that reflect the reality of the situation.

No one, other than you it seems, is going to be convinced by some academic decreeing that they think it’s all going to be fine without providing any evidence to support it.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 30/03/2019 18:49

Leavers opinions are what were meant to take as facts, dont you know theyre exactly the same thing Hmm

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Bearbehind · 30/03/2019 18:49

If the EU vote to not give an extension, then it is no deal.
Not fantasy. A fact.

We have to come up with a new plan in order to even be considered for an extension and the EU won’t deny such an extension of the plan is credible.

So the ball is in our court entirely.

No deal on 12th April or a request for an extension which will require us to take part in EU elections.

Or revoke.

So how will you take this Bear

I actually think no deal probably needs to happen because it’s the only way the reality of this shit show is going to sink in with Leavers.

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mummmy2017 · 30/03/2019 18:56

I really do think talking about something that could happen, and actually sorting something because it has happened are two very different things.
If we leave with a no deal, then all the arguements that have held up Parliament about how to leave are suddenly gone.
I do think also if it happens on the 12th there should be cross party involvement in what goes next. Labour and Conservative too both have involvement, and not just the govenment of the day, so any election would not alter what was being planned.