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Westminstenders: Arse about Face

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RedToothBrush · 27/03/2019 21:02

Everything about Brexit seems to have been done wrongly.

Setting red lines to rule out a compromise

The attempt to use executive power to trigger A50, that resulted in a court case

Triggering A50 before knowing what the UK wanted

Agreeing to the backstop before any Tory MP understood the GFA

Appointing a Brexit minister before checking he understood where Dover was.

May going on about NI and pissing off the DUP before they were just about to climb down.

Having a Meaningless Vote repeatedly with a gun to head.

Contempt of Parliament and just general fucking up.

Tonight, 3 days before we were due to leave the HoC finally sat down to decide what Brexit outcomes they thought would be a good idea - more than 2years after that should have happened.

And we now we are told the meaningful vote might be may even more meaningless by being wrapped up in the illusive Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill.

Farce doesn't even cover it.

Anyway Indicative Vote results incoming in approx 15 mins.

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BiglyBadgers · 28/03/2019 09:18

Heavens...so many typos. I'm sure you clever types can work it out though Blush

HesterThrale · 28/03/2019 09:19

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but if an indicative vote gives a majority to a way forward that’s not the WA, wouldn’t we need more time to negotiate it with the EU?

We’d need to extend past the deadline just to get the new agreement in order, wouldn’t we?

Also, aren’t they voting for things without knowing if the EU would even accept them? I don’t get it.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/03/2019 09:21

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borntobequiet · 28/03/2019 09:22

Evan Davis on PM yesterday got very exasperated with MPs he was interviewing re the indicative votes persistently trying to push their own firmly held view when what he was asking was what they were prepared to compromise on. Whoever they were (I forget now), they weren’t getting it.

icannotremember · 28/03/2019 09:23

Alyn Smith's speech just after the referendum was another brilliant one. Paraphrasing a bit here as I can't remember it exactly but he said something along the lines of Scotland did not let you down, I beg of you, my friends, do not let Scotland down.

Brexit is an utter disaster and has exposed many politicians for the base charlatans they are- but on the flip side it has also allowed some to shine. I'm glad Scotland has the SNP, they have impressed me enormously at every level. I would still be sad if Scotland left the UK but I do now understand why they would want to.

My mum has a hard leave MP but was pleasantly surprised to get an email response from him that acknowledged they have completely different views, but which said he was glad people like her cared so much and that he would always be happy to discuss any issue with her. Doesn't make up for his stupid, stupid votes but does at least recognise that she exists and can't be totally ignored.

(Thank you for the kind messages when I posted last night and sorry for making that sort of silly post to this brilliant thread).

TheMShip · 28/03/2019 09:28

SNP and TIGs all voted for only PV & revoke; if they come on board for a customs union that'll almost take it over the edge. TIGs voted against, SNP abstained. That's 11 TIGs and 35 SNPs, which would get to 310. Plus cabinet members if allowed a free vote or resigning, and maybe a few more Labour switchers...

I can definitely see customs union + PV coming out tops, so PV with WA+customs union vs. remain?

Cailleach1 · 28/03/2019 09:28

So, Corbyn is getting one back for something which happened over 40 yrs ago (if that is even true) and the future of the UK is incidental. He is showing every day how limited he really is. Peevish, too. How many times did he go against his own party when he was even above his capabilities on the backbenches.

BiglyBadgers · 28/03/2019 09:29

We’d need to extend past the deadline just to get the new agreement in order, wouldn’t we?

Also, aren’t they voting for things without knowing if the EU would even accept them? I don’t get it.

Yes we would need to extend but the EU have indicated they would be OK with that providing we have a clear plan, which we would finally have. We do have a pretty good idea of what the EU would and wouldn't accept (if someone had the good sense to listen) and while the CU/SM ideas would still need some negotiation if we went in like grown ups (yeah, I know) then my understanding is that the EU have said before they are willing to look at this. However, we would absolutly have to drop the red lines.

Pegsinarow · 28/03/2019 09:30

Exactly HesterThrale great to explore other options but no one mentioned the elephant in the room ie the EU has to agree to them too.

Never felt so despondent as this morning. It's all gone to shit Sad and we've only two weeks to sort it out.

Littlespaces · 28/03/2019 09:30

My pathetic useless MP voted AGAINST everything.

Aaaaarrgh.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/03/2019 09:30

If there was a PV, I'm pretty sure that remain (i.e. revoke) would be on it and then either leave with [the chosen deal] or leave which is then qualified by [choose one of two deals].

I think the choice of deals is maybe too technical for the average voter, so would anticipate the former option.

So, while revoke may not get the parliamentary approval for the TM to simply revoke herself, I imagine the PV option combined with KC's customs union would be a popular choice for the question to be asked.

TalkinPaece · 28/03/2019 09:32

Anybody else noticed odd gaps on the supermarket shelves already ?
I know its a first world problem but frozen puff pastry is gone from Sainsburys here .... (ticket removed from shelf)

Motheroffourdragons · 28/03/2019 09:33

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NoWordForFluffy · 28/03/2019 09:33

Or what @TheMShip said! I'm too damn slow with my left-thumbed typing! 😂

BiglyBadgers · 28/03/2019 09:34

I can definitely see customs union + PV coming out tops, so PV with WA+customs union vs. remain?

I would be thrilled to bits if this did happen. It is far closer to what the original referendum should have been like. Remain and then a clear option for leaving with a plan. I would still vote remain, but if leave won like this I would suck it up. At least people would know what they were voting for and it wouldn't completly screw up the country.

Motheroffourdragons · 28/03/2019 09:36

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hanahsaunt · 28/03/2019 09:36

My MP has stopped replying to correspondence because it's too much ... he has done a Facebook video instead as a catch-all which basically says I don't care what anyone thinks or writes, I love Theresa and will do as she says.

Miljah · 28/03/2019 09:37

Just a musing, but I reserve a special pit of anger towards the Tory Leave voters who then didn't vote Tory at the last snap GE, the particularly poorly thought out one.

Talk about wanting something (Leave) then failing to get behind the party working at it! Hence the despicable DUP.

How did we ever come to this, being bullied by a gang of 10 swivel-eyed, power drunk fundamentalists?

To be sure, I am a committed Remainer, but I'd like to think that how I vote in GEs is consistent with that, tho it means a wasted vote for the LibDems.

Littlespaces · 28/03/2019 09:40

My MP has never replied. Not once. All my e mails were very polite.

I can definitely see customs union + PV coming out tops, so PV with WA+customs union vs. remain

I wonder which option would win? I keep hearing different opinions on the radio. Some people saying we are now a Remain country and others saying people want to just leave. So confusing.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/03/2019 09:40

No shortages I've noticed here at all. But I've also not noticed much forward-purchasing going on.

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 09:41

Some Labour MPs have consistently voted in favour of the Tories. Hoey I’m looking at you.

That 22 Labour MPs voted against the Cherry motion is as unsurprising as it is depressing.

LonelyTiredandLow · 28/03/2019 09:41

@frumpety yes I saw that and meant to comment on it too - the hardline ERG who pushed us into this have been continuing that failed idea that the EU will 'blink' since before the referendum. They just keep moving the goalposts as we get further into the time limit.
Regardless of what happens with the indicative votes, if we have them (ERG) taking them forward they are bound to fail. This is where I think this system will become unstuck. Tories won't put their weight behind it and make it workable with EU Sad

NoWordForFluffy · 28/03/2019 09:41

I think we're a remain country, but those who are still leavers just want to leave!

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 09:42

How did we ever come to this, being bullied by a gang of 10 swivel-eyed, power drunk fundamentalists?

I am personally grateful to those swivel-eyed fundamentalists for opposing the WA. We couldn’t have faced it down without them.

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RedToothBrush · 28/03/2019 09:44

I've seen on twitter that customs union plus single market alignment for goods is a probable bet in the long run.

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