Westminstenders: Arse about Face

[RedToothBrush]

Everything about Brexit seems to have been done wrongly.

Setting red lines to rule out a compromise

The attempt to use executive power to trigger A50, that resulted in a court case

Triggering A50 before knowing what the UK wanted

Agreeing to the backstop before any Tory MP understood the GFA

Appointing a Brexit minister before checking he understood where Dover was.

May going on about NI and pissing off the DUP before they were just about to climb down.

Having a Meaningless Vote repeatedly with a gun to head.

Contempt of Parliament and just general fucking up.

Tonight, 3 days before we were due to leave the HoC finally sat down to decide what Brexit outcomes they thought would be a good idea - more than 2years after that should have happened.

And we now we are told the meaningful vote might be may even more meaningless by being wrapped up in the illusive Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill.

Farce doesn't even cover it.

Anyway Indicative Vote results incoming in approx 15 mins.

Langrish,
Thanks for the link. I have written to Donald Tusk too.
go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.consilium.europa.eu/en/contact/general-enquiries/send-message/

Morning all. Red hope dc is better this morning.
So angry that my MP voted for no deal

The cabinet abstained.

My MP voted against all options except 1 where they abstained from voting.

Is there any sense in this?

Marcus Shepheard @mshepheard
What happened with the indicative votes last night?

- No option got a majority in favour
- Lots of MPs abstained
- Options on a confirmatory referendum on the PM's or a customs union had the most support

How the parties broke down below

Follow here or @instituteforgov for more

So if the shadow cabinet and the cabinet hadn't abstained on Margaret Beckett's proposal it would have lost by a larger margin?

So...what's next?

The most voted for go through to next stage?

I'm lost.

So essentially no one can agree on anything - which is how it’s been all the way through.
And why this whole thing should never have been started. Too many conflicts of interest and differing views to ever get a majority. It’s truly hopeless.

We are now aboard for brexit 😬 we travel back to the UK from France two days post brexit.
I don’t know whether to go or not! We will get there... will be get back?!

Thanks Red that's really great.

So if we want to apportion blame (which isn't always helpful) we'd be having another ref if those Labour MPs beneath the mid line voted for it?

My MP (small majority, slight remain area) voted pv,revoke and customs union. Happy enough with that. Another couple of local MPs I used to respect voted no deal though

Happy with my MP
Sad for the country.

I want to be able to book tickets to visit my daughter FFS

My MP voted against everything except 6&7. Which is no surprise as he's a greasy pole climbing ERG wannabe who was parachuted in when his predecessor retired as this is turd in a blue rosette will win land. I'll probably vote LD in a GE as I did last time - a pointless excercise but does at least mean they can't say my vote is "for Brexit"

Interesting that Jo Johnson voted no to everything except PV. He's in a leave seat too.

Clearly cut from a very different cloth to his brother.

Labour and LD both need a change of leadership IMO.
Starmer would do (anyone really to oust JC!) but Jess Phillips would be much more fun .
I think I remember reading on here VC didn't like the lady who is touted to be his successor - the one with the intense eyes who really annoys my leaver friend? She speaks well and clearly but does seem to rub people up the wrong way. Are there any other LD contenders?

Some of the 'comments' to Mr Verhofstadt's tweet are truly appalling and expose the uncomfortable truth that the pragmatism, decency and a sense of 'fair play' of the 'British' is in many cases an illusion.
They also convey how uneducated some, presumably leavers are (as they are attacking Mr Verhofstadt).

Propertybrothers The whole Cabinet was supposed to abstain on these votes,
since their collective decision was that they disapprove of Parliament taking over

This seems to sum up Brexit

Mark Hennessy @MarkHennessy
An entire debate on BBC Newsnight about the UK’s Brexit options - without one mention of what the EU27 will, or will not accept in the days, weeks, months ahead. It’s almost like the other side of the table doesn’t exist

Remember, this is only the Withdrawal Agreement.
The DEAL and trade arrangements come later.
It is going to take decades to sort out the mess. We (the glorious UK) will miss every single deadline.
Sometimes I understand the tack TM has taken.

Parliament are never going to admit that Brexit was always going to be difficult and require most expert negotiations. They will certainly never admit that it is wholly incompatible with GFA.

This won't be over in my lifetime.

What is frustrating is those who are just taking a view of simply what they want and with no thought of compromise.

I think it's fair enough on this first round but there is an element of cutting nose off to spite your face, particularly if the alternative facing us is no deal.

I would hope that more pragmatic realism will creep in but I'm not holding my breathe.

mother JC is a Lexiter and any Shadow Cabinet member who voted Revoke would probably be in trouble

On the PV, MPs will have to choose the 2 options for the public to vote on.

This would probably only happen if it defeats Ken Clarke's CU option on Monday

BEWARE:
JC may use the heavy defeat of the Revoke option to try to exclude this from a PV 😡😡

The number of abstentions on revoke to avoid no deal makes me slightly hopeful that if we came down to revoke or no deal, revoke would comfortably win.

Pretty sure that the majority of those abstaining from the revoke v no deal vote (Inc the cabinet) would indeed revoke.