Westminstenders: Arse about Face

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Everything about Brexit seems to have been done wrongly.

Setting red lines to rule out a compromise

The attempt to use executive power to trigger A50, that resulted in a court case

Triggering A50 before knowing what the UK wanted

Agreeing to the backstop before any Tory MP understood the GFA

Appointing a Brexit minister before checking he understood where Dover was.

May going on about NI and pissing off the DUP before they were just about to climb down.

Having a Meaningless Vote repeatedly with a gun to head.

Contempt of Parliament and just general fucking up.

Tonight, 3 days before we were due to leave the HoC finally sat down to decide what Brexit outcomes they thought would be a good idea - more than 2years after that should have happened.

And we now we are told the meaningful vote might be may even more meaningless by being wrapped up in the illusive Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill.

Farce doesn't even cover it.

Anyway Indicative Vote results incoming in approx 15 mins.

Will we know if our MP abstained in any of the indicative votes?

We don't send them to Parliament to abstain.

Meanwhile the petition is still gathering numbers: 5904003 when I last looked, so only the numbers of a small city need to sign and it's passed 6 million.

If we Brexit, we must remember that Labour could have supported Revoke today and given it a majority

Parliament would not vote for Revoke unless it was it was a straight No Deal vs Revoke.

But that's what exactly what the motion was : Revoke as a backstop if the UK was a day away from going out with No Deal

Jon Stone
@joncstone
The Independent Group voted AGAINST Ken Clarke’s motion for a customs union, would have passed with their votes

33 Tory MPs backed a customs union, 1 Lib De

Three Labour MPs voted for the No Deal indicative vote: Ronnie Campbell, Kate Hoey, and Dennis Skinner. 157 Tories

Labour leadership voted for Common market 2.0 including Jeremy Corbyn

27 Labour MPs voted against the whip on the Beckett confirmatory referendum proposal. 198 Labour MPs in favour. Just 8 Tories backed it, 254 against

Labour MPs who voted against referendum: Kevin Barron, Ronnie Campbell, Sarah Champion, Rosie Cooper, Jon Cruddas, Jim Fitzpatrick, Caroline Flint, Yvonne Fovargue, Stephen Hepburn, Mike Hill, Kate Hoey, Dan Jarvis, Helen Jones, Kevin Jones, Emma Lewell-Buck, Justin Madders...

…John Mann, Grahame Morris, Melanie Onn, Stephanie Peakcock, Dennis Skinner, Ruth Smeeth, Laura Smith, Gareth Snell, John Spellar, Graham Stringer, Derek Twigg

The 8 Tory MPs who voted for the referendum proposal were Guto Bebb, Justine Greening, Dominic Grieve, Sam Gyimah, Joseph Johnson, Phillip Lee, Huw Merriman, Antonette Sandbach

The Independent Group voted AGAINST Ken Clarke’s motion for a customs union, would have passed with their votes

33 Tory MPs backed a customs union, 1 Lib Dem

The Independent Group also voted against Boles plan for Common Market 2.0

Er, had to double check this but Dennis Skinner and Ronnie Campbell both voted for EFTA/EEA?

Amendment j
Ayes 226 lab, 33 con, 1 ld, 4 ind
Noes 235 con, 12 lab, 13 ind, 10 DUP, 1 ld, 1 green

pretty, cherry muttered "fucking labour" when the results were read out.

I'm fuming at JC tbh - indicative votes should always have been free votes. This is a cross-party issue and they (most MPs) need to get a bloody grip and realise that the country has to come before party.

Just to say, Revoke petition is suddenly shooting up again after several slow days.

f we Brexit, we must remember that Labour could have supported Revoke today and given it a majority Well, there's still the votes on Monday maybe they will change their mind.

AutumnCrow You can check here, for each vote how each individual MP voted, or didn't

commonsvotes.digiminster.com

PMK into the middle of this clusterfuck of epic proportions. Off to see how my MP voted....
Thanks Red and the Westminstender stalwarts for the info and updates (and the laughs in the face of crisis) I’d be lost without you!

What are the fucking Lib Dems playing at??

So what exactly is the next step after this?

I disagree. Revoke is the status quo and that needs to be in any referendum in my view. I would expect it to be whatever deal (by this vote a CU deal) versus status quo which is remain.

Agree. Added to this, it would be shameful not to have it on the ballot when almost 6 million have signed the petition.

Surely they will need more time than just Monday?

Everyone's saying that they should have had these votes and discussions two years ago. It's all been as if the referendum had been 93% leave and all the MPs were leave too. Madness.

If there is another general election I hope all the best MPs don't decide not to stand. And the froot loops remain.

Yes I was going to say the abstaining is significant. Most LDs only voted for revoke and PV. If pushed what would they do? DUP also abstained on a few.

The cabinet also abstained.

Fucsake. My MP voted FOR no deal. It's the only one he voted for. Utter arse.

Thanks, BigChoc. That's a good tool.

My MP continues to disappoint. Voted against all, abstained from 1.

Anything to please pm.

I do think he will lose his seat as he seems very unpopular across the board

Surely they will need more time than just Monday they're just redoing the votes for reals.
Why woukd they need more time for that?

Problem here is that all the softer options are Labour dominated. May's it difficult in terms of arguing cross party or compromise arrangement.

I'm fuming at JC tbh

He’s a basket case.

Shocking behaviour in Parliament tonight. Whilst it appears that lip service is being carried out to us, the electorate, any winner tonight would not have had legal status , so it was all a bit of a farce IMO. Bercow and his theatrics were very patronising and to be honest doesn't serve any purpose as nobody listens to him . When Anna Soubrey(sp) tried to make a point it felt like I was back in reception class with the headmaster having to take over, and this is democracy !! On another matter TM doesn't look well , I hope she is getting medical advice .