Leavers, I'm a leaver... are you out there

[BurpsandHustles]

I know this thread will get trolled and spammed with the usual suspects demanding answers from us.

But I'm hoping any leavers out there could ignore them and tell me how their feeling.

Right now I'm wondering who the hell is speaking out for us? It's gone very quiet....

There is some momentum from pro Europe voices... but aside from a damp squib march from farage..does anyone else think it's gone eerily quiet!!

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't already dictates going out to get legislation in place too stop other countries leaving, more EU propaganda being churned out. ..

And the only reason I asked in the doest place was I thought another vote was possible.

I'm hiding the whole topic now. Have an opinion and that will do me in any event.

I reckon we have more issues if we do Brexit.

TM is not the most democratic PM we have ever had.

Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Lisbon treaty?

I actually really wanted to see positives after the vote and for a long time I was of the opinion we just needed to get on with it. But now I want Revoke. My opinion would be different most likely if Govt had been any good.

I want to beleive it will all be OK but then when I see all the arguments and misinformation getting mentioned I lose respect for that persons argument.

I will admit I am not a fan of the majority of Brexiteers. They’re very wealthy and have made s lot of money out of this I am sure.

So it’s a struggle for me to be positive. I just want the Uk to be OK no matter what. I’m just not convinced at the moment.

And actually the EU did make a massive difference to my area growing up and I can see the benefit of the EU in my workplace. I get my tax thing through and I haven’t paid that much to the EU. So even though some other countries have replaced us being the poor man of Europe it’s money well spent. I do think the UK could have made better decisions when allowing Freedom of Movement.

I hate Juncker and I do thin reform is needed.

I am really going to miss being able to use our mobile allowance when abroad. Why did they only bring that in after we voted to Leave?

DID anyone read Starkey's 800 year's piece on democracy?

David Starkey? It's not still the Tudor period you know. If you want to read about democracy, it might be best to choose an academic whose specialism is actually, you know, democracy.

I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't already dictates going out to get legislation in place too stop other countries leaving, more EU propaganda being churned out.

Why would countries who want to leave the EU put 'diktats' in place to stop themselves from leaving????? That doesn't make sense.

Where is the optimism... momentum..
Positive stuff about leaving gone.

Does this not tell you something? When all the people in charge of promoting Brexit aren't able to form a coherent argument maybe it's time to wonder if there is anything to be positive about.

I voted Remain, but I changed my mind a hundred times beforehand. I wasn't "heart set on Remain", I was "on the balance of probabilities". Then after the result I genuinely, naively as it turned out, believed that there was a way forward which would work. But it didn't occur to me until 6 months ago that we would even consider leaving without a deal. That's when I changed in to a "people's vote / revoke / anything to get out of this mess" person.

If Brexit fails we are heading for dictatorship and re education of our children... EU will never allow this sort of subordinate again.

This is real scaremongering. If anything, it is TMs current behaviour that is shocking me and made me realise how our supposed checks and balances can be so easily ignored. Our (famously unwritten) constitution was for a time where politicians behaved with honour. An awful lot of them nowadays simply do not. But that isn't the EUs fault. The British people voted for our MPs.

If Brexit fails we are heading for dictatorship and re education of our children... EU will never allow this sort of subordinate again.

Do you mean insubordination?

I'll say it again though. If a member of the EU wished to be 'insubordinate', why would it actively choose to prevent itself from doing that?

I think it's hard for leavers and your feeling hard done by because you won and yet since the election and the Tories becoming a minority government every poll has indicated that we're now a remain leaning population.

It's frustrating. Leave won and 2 yrs later it's unwanted. It's like the whole thing was all for nothing, what's the point now? No one seems to want to march for it or even be enthusiastic about it because there's nothing to be optimistic about.

This is a reverse, isn't it? You know leaving will be a disaster.

I am genuinely fascinated by this thread.
For the Leavers, I can see the frustration in individual experiences, and why you want change.

Unfortunately Brexit is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

FWIW, yes British citizens in the EU do benefit from free interpreters etc. ( thinking about my ex partner who received free legal aid and benefits despite never working in France or speaking French.)
The “Gilet Jaunes” yellow jackets complain against their bloated civil service.

I can see that Brexit was about not having a voice, and the Leave vote was a possibility to be heard. But, I don’t think Leavers “British rights” will be protected by Brexiteers. I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

Hellenbackagen

The responses on your other thread weren't "vile". You had plenty of informed responses giving you answers to the questions you asked.

I am really going to miss being able to use our mobile allowance when abroad. Why did they only bring that in after we voted to Leave?

The legislation was already winding its way through, I suppose. I am not sure which country first suggested it. I do recall Theresa May trying to claim it for the Tory party. I sent her a letter to remind her that it was EU legislation.

{Unfortunately Brexit is a sledgehammer to crack a nut.}

It is worse than this, Brexit is an answer to the wrong question.
The EU is just a scapegoat, as it has been for decades for lazy wilfully uninformed UK governments who are not interested in anything apart from themselves or their friends. Even HS2 as an example. The various business groups in the North have been saying that better road and rail links between say Leeds and across to Liverpool via Manchester to help manufacturing. No, the Tories are building a 'white elephant' vanity project to boost London. A fraction of the money that is being spent on HS2 would transform Northern transport links.

Agree 1tis - to ithe EU being a scapegoat and to the need to have better transport links. I have been banging on about those for months now.
I like the idea of HS2, but all it's likely to do is suck more into London.

The 'slashing of red tape' that the Leave campaigners are talking about includes removing workers rights. It is also actually incorrect as red tape will increase, or at least the management of it.
If you trade with the EU, currently the regulations are 'common' so minimal effort is needed. I have been receiving government notices, several a day, about new regulations that will need to be followed.

Laughing at a poster further back saying Remainers are vile to Leavers. Last time I checked it wasn’t Leavers who were getting death threats from Remainers. Just sayin.

Just having a laugh, there are suggestions that they might only build HS2 as far as Birmingham.

Having been demoralised by years of austerity do you really think one of the options laid out is better?

hellen

Link (hopefully)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3543230-what-did-the-uk-do-before-they-joined-the-eu

Slash red tape: Grenfell. Which I have said before. Some rules are there for a good reason, and were fought for.

Every single person in this counties vote will become suddenly pointless.

Its been pointless for fucking years

Vote for a party...they dont get in

Vote for a party...they get in and dont do anything in their manifesto

Vote for a party....they do something they said they would never do

Cameron lied about child benefit, the man has form for telling fucking great fibs

I think it's totally reasonable for Remainers to demand answers of Leavers when every impact assessment (and even JRM himself) says that Brexit will cause a short to medium term negative economic effect.

I can post the link for you, Hellenbackagen:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3543230-what-did-the-uk-do-before-they-joined-the-eu?pg=1&order=

It’s worth pointing out that the only post deleted appears to be one of yours. No vile comments, no bastards, no horrible posters.

And how dare you try to play top trumps with mothers that have suffered bereavement! Who the hell are you to try and minimise other women’s experiences? You have no place to complain about vile comments!