Westminstenders: Indicative Crossiants

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Tomorrow the Indicative debate starts at 3pm

The Speaker will choose options to go to vote.

Vote at 7pm for yes or no for each option.

7.30pm The SI debate on extension followed by vote.

Announcement of the indicative vote sometime between 8.15pm and 9.30pm

Meanwhile the DUP have indicated they would prefer a long delay (and presumably EU elections by default) rather than May's deal, in a strange twist of Brexit.

I think if I was investigating the faults with A50 it would be the value of any referendum. So at least a 60% majority to leave, specifics set about campaign amounts, maybe ensuring every country has at least some formal education of how EU works in schools.

ahem, Wykehamist

He'd be most disapproving of the error, but then I'm just a state school kid whereas he's spent large parts of his life reliving his school days by running many Old Wykehamist societies of one kind or another.

He did say that what Winchester taught him most was 'that one must never be afraid to be in a minority of one'. Perhaps OE's are more clubbable and that's why they hate TM (as she is not clubbable at all)

I think if I was investigating the faults with A50 it would be the value of any referendum. So at least a 60% majority to leave, specifics set about campaign amounts, maybe ensuring every country has at least some formal education of how EU works in schools.

The problem with that is it's stretching the EUs views into individual countries constitutions .... It's not for the EU to decide what a "proper" referendum is - it's supposedly the member states own government that does that.

DeRigueurMortis, its notable that in the last couple of days key ERGers have started to say they WOULD back the WA afterall. Johnson has also said something about moving to talk about how they approach the next stage of the Brexit process.

Its like Anna Soubry saying that most MPs were only just waking up to the difference between the WA and the PD and that only the PD can be changed.

Its why indicative votes here are incredibly important. It establishes the political will of parliament. That will either reinforce May's version of the PD or establish the importance and political strength of an alternative to her PD. This makes it harder for any future PM to go against that and renege on it. Whilst it wouldnt be legally binding in UK law its the first step to making that PD legally binding in UK law, by being more politically binding.

The timing of May's departure is therefore particularly important. They want to head off any making an alternative PD becoming legally binding, because at that point a harder brexit become more difficult.

Its all about controlling the direction of the next stage of the process.

He did say that what Winchester taught him most was 'that one must never be afraid to be in a minority of one'.

I don't think they suggested it should be a lifes work though ?

I wonder what TM is saying to the 1922 committee?

I wonder what TM is saying to the 1922 committee?

Are we sure she's not waiting till just gone quarter past seven ?

He was at Winchester. Apparently, they refer to Eton as 't'other place' and rather look down on them. It's another world (for most of us)

Eton is also known as Slough Comp.

Just nipping in before pump class 🏋🏽‍♀️

@ Red A couple of questions if you have time, please:

• What's the difference between J & K - the 2 CUs ?
• what does O mean by "standstill" - some sort of Malthouse unicorn ? (i.e. not standing still at all)

B - No Deal
D - Common Market 2.0
H - Norway - without customs union
J - Leave EU with UK-wide customs union
K - Labour’s permanent customs union
L - Revoke A50 if no deal Brexit not approved day b4 due to leave
M - 2nd ref
O - Seek standstill agreement with EU

I agree with you Mother There were quite a few Catholics at ds' primary (and I presume at the secondary, but it's really irrelevant to me).

In fact, come to think of it, dh is a lapsed Catholic (and teacher-trained at the Catholic teaching college although he never did his probationary year ), so technically, ds is half-Catholic (But fully atheist )

Our local Catholic primary (actually closer to us than the catchment non-denom) is 90% full of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs

DG but surely the article, if signed by new nations already included that, or was resigned as a direct result of this shambles, most nations would be in agreement. I'm confident none of them want to leave due to a similar campaign.

Tom Phillips @flashboy
this ritual of journalists standing outside 1922 Committee meetings attempting to interpret the noises from inside for the public is a weird thing we do, isn't it

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
May telling MPs about the risks of not voting for the deal

'that one must never be afraid to be in a minority of one'

What an ego.

Christopher Hope @christopherhope
Boris Johnson is in the room listening to the PM. Penny Mordaunt was too late and is listening at the door.

At least 100 journalists are crammed into the committee corridor outside. A feeling of expectation. #1922

I wonder what TM is saying to the 1922 committee?

If they’ve got any sense they’ll dominate the conversation and not let her get a word in edgewise.

Why don't they lock the door and do us all a favour?

Littlespaces I suppose you could argue Ken Clarke is being more Wykhamist than any of them then!

DH has just come into ti say May said she will stand down when Brexit passed

ahem Wykeham

And then he buggered off so not entirely clear exactly what she said.

DG but surely the article, if signed by new nations already included that, or was resigned as a direct result of this shambles, most nations would be in agreement.

Maybe this is touching on a more fundamental issue ?

I can see the sense in what you are saying. However it seems to be a little bit too restrictive and inflexible - as well as my previous objection that it's dangerously close to meddling in member states internal affairs.

Suppose there was a proposal that in future, any A50 notification of leaving the EU required a referendum consensus with a 2/3 majority ? Sounds good in practice. However, the UK (believe it or not) simply has no constitutional basis for such referenda requirement in order to enact the will of parliament. So how can the EU dictate to the UK how the UK government should act ?

Of course the reverse argument is that the UK would have agreed to such a condition as part of it's treaty acceptance joining the EU.

It's all a complex mix of international law, politics and treaties. And if there is an answer it's unlikely to be found in a popular parenting forum - despite the fact that these threads eclipse some of the best analysis money can buy in our media.

When Brexit is passed? It will be raging on for decades!?
Is this TM being obtuse or am I reading this incorrectly?

Carl Dinnen @carldinnen
May has told her MPs she won’t lead them into the next phase of the Brexit negotiations.

There you go...

No date yet though.

Date is important.