Westminstenders: Indicative Crossiants

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Tomorrow the Indicative debate starts at 3pm

The Speaker will choose options to go to vote.

Vote at 7pm for yes or no for each option.

7.30pm The SI debate on extension followed by vote.

Announcement of the indicative vote sometime between 8.15pm and 9.30pm

Meanwhile the DUP have indicated they would prefer a long delay (and presumably EU elections by default) rather than May's deal, in a strange twist of Brexit.

Margaret Beckett for Prime Minster

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EU would not be able to change A50 without unanimity.

The ECJ interpretation comes from the SNP legal challenge.

Changing it would need a new Treaty.

See also our EFTA Membership where the Govt is doing a Blair on the private legal advice it has receieved.

Why is the price for TM's deal her resignation amongst the hardcore Brexitiers?

The Political Declaration is not legally binding.

Hence when May goes is important. Plus it removes any power from May to have leverage over things - they only have to delay until she goes, to rip up the Political declaration.

This is why the backstop is legally binding and the EU will not remove it. Because its one of the few ways they can actively protect Ireland.

I’m sure I read earlier, but can’t remember where, that the speed limiter can be turned off but automatically comes on again after the engine has been turned off.
Also it can be overridden by pressing the accelerator like cruise control.

From my POV its something like this.

TM has already committed not to fight another General Election (at the time of the Confidence vote in her by Conservative MPS)

Hardcore Brexiteers see that we have had a Remainer in charge of Brexit as a problem

(FWIW, I think they are wrong and always have been, of the options, Gove, Johnson, May and Leadsom who stood last time I'd have picked TM in a heartbeat)

Really hardcore Brexiteers also want to leave with no deal and TM isn't offering this option (rightly, IMO)

I think they want to replace her quickly so that the next phase can be lead by "someone else" as leader, Priority 1, and "A Brexiter" as Priority 2.

I think many in the Party aren't happy with her, the ERG probably should the loudest but there are others who think her deal is "too hard"

I see Mogg was earlier admonishing Bole and Letwin for not behaving like Etonians, but because they’re not (as he sees it) respecting the referendum they are therefore acting like Wykehamists (had never heard this word before but apparently it refers to someone who attended Winchester)

This old boys network is so destructive to British life.

Yes it's become clear to me that leaving in any form does not protect from no deal until an actual trade deal is signed.

Yep.
Limiter on my car too.
What's the issue?

James May proved on the last episode of The Grand Tour that having a fast car was pointless in the real world.

David Henig @DavidHenigUK
Having been in meetings for a few hours I've come out to lots of gloomy tweets about Brexit, and this positive one, so retweeting the one that suggests all hope should not be abandoned

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Speeches backing the options very good so far - extraordinary to think all these ideas have basically been suppressed by whipping system, and politics of alleged betrayal.

Eg Eustice now reminding MPs was this House pushing ahead with forming EFTA in first place, decades ago...

PMK

I’m sure I read earlier, but can’t remember where, that the speed limiter can be turned off but automatically comes on again after the engine has been turned off.

Yet perversely the speed limiter in my car is the opposite - it needs to be re-engaged after the car is stopped.

As I said in that thread, the speed limiter is my most used gadget on our car.

My kids' car has a tracker in it and the insurance goes down if we stay strictly within speed limits
you get used to it
but I do prefer A roads in my car

Thank you for the responses RTB and Louise - it makes sense now.

Limiter on my car too. What's the issue?

As I said, there's a lot of little thinking in that thread ...

Can someone please explain how it would work if parliament expresses a preference for any of the Common market 2.0/ Customs Union/ EEA/ EFTA or Labours alternative plan? The EU have already said they are done with negotiations and have given extended deadlines. Would a further extension be required to approve and implement these?

It’s said that you can tell a Wykehamist, but you cannot tell him much .
I’d take it as a compliment from JRM.

Iirc, the customs union and single market separately don't work for the border do they? So really only l m and o are feasible for keeping the GfA in tact.

My parents were threatened by the fortunately about to retire headmaster of my primary school with being reported to Social Services for reckless endangerment because they supported the trial (I too remember walking to school, although I'm a wee but older than you in the dark in our reflective jackets - but I also remember it being lighter after school ).

You'll like not this one Mother : he told Catholic friends of my parents, who had just come over from the States on secondment to the Singer factory, that they should enrol their children elsewhere as, "we don't want your sort here" . This was the (non-denominational) Bearsden Primary

Pilcrow I know folk can't help how they look, but a 12 year old with a monocle, an oversized 'gentleman's coat' and an arrogant expression...
It is not a good look (but who had made him this way aged 12? parents? school? I know a person v like JRM. Cast iron belief in his own intellectual / professional invincibility (despite RL evidence to contrary).
He was at Winchester. Apparently, they refer to Eton as 't'other place' and rather look down on them. It's another world (for most of us)

Why is the price for TM's deal her resignation amongst the hardcore Brexitiers?

They are ambitious unprincipled Etonian shits who would sell their own mother to become PM.

Tanith YES!!! That describes my Wykhamist friend exactly!!!

I'm not going to argue with that Little 😂😂😂😂😂

I think if we said (with conviction - ie the EU believes us) that we would like to rejoin EFTA/stay in the customs union, they would give us an extension to allow the relevant legislation to pass (both in the UK and the EU).

If we agreed to stay in the EEA/customs union in some way there wouldn't need to be a great deal of negotiation about the next stage because not much would change except we wouldn't have any say over legislation any more and would have to lobby from the sidelines.

Like Margaret Beckett said, we'd be losing sovereignty so we could say we'd left the EU. However, I think a lot of remainers could live with it, the softer Brexit voters could live with it, and it would be a compromise that honoured the closeness of the referendum result. And might keep Scotland in the UK a bit longer. And more or less solve the Irish border issue and respect the vote in Gibraltar too.

Lets hope common sense prevails.