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Westminstenders: Indicative Crossiants

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RedToothBrush · 26/03/2019 18:23

Tomorrow the Indicative debate starts at 3pm

The Speaker will choose options to go to vote.

Vote at 7pm for yes or no for each option.

7.30pm The SI debate on extension followed by vote.

Announcement of the indicative vote sometime between 8.15pm and 9.30pm

Meanwhile the DUP have indicated they would prefer a long delay (and presumably EU elections by default) rather than May's deal, in a strange twist of Brexit.

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TheMShip · 27/03/2019 12:15

{12m ago 12:02

Theresa May starts by saying she will chair a summit on serious violence next week.}

If I don't laugh, I'll cry....

prettybird · 27/03/2019 12:18

Fourth attempt at posting this, as the app keeps on saying "Success" when I try to post, yet it as disappeared into the ether. I've resorted to emailing it to myself so that I can post on my laptop Confused I might be getting paranoid Wink

I think that the state broadcaster will forever be tainted with giving Farage the oxygen of publicity. The fact that QT has never had a pro-EU MEP on it Hmm, yet has had Farage, Nuttall, Hannan on multiple times is an indictment of its supposed "balance" Angry

During and since the EU Campaign, "balance" was perceived as allowing both sides equal time but without blatant lies being challenged (eg the rest of the world trades "only" on WTO rules Hmm). John Humphrys, on his influential R4 Today programme is particularly guilty Angry

Should, in the interest of "balance", a flat earther always be put up alongside someone who knows the earth is a sphere? Confused

To be fair, I think that in general the individual journalists at the BBC are pretty good Smile: it's the editorial guidelines (ie the senior editors and the parameters within which they work as the state broadcaster) that cause problems. Katya Adler's report on the extension of A50 is a case in point: she talks in the body of the article about the UK having won a reprieve and some breathing space, yet the headline on the BBC News item was initially "EU wins breathing space" Hmm

During the Indyref campaign, "balance" was deemed to be achieved by 1xSNP up against (1xLabour + 1xConservative + 1xLibDem). Very occasionally, the Indy supporting Scottish Greens were graciously given a very small voice SadHmm

RevokeRemainRebuild · 27/03/2019 12:22

Watching PMQ - TM is bonkers. Absolutely bonkers.

EweSurname · 27/03/2019 12:22

oybbk was Sarah vine tweeting in response to the theatre that had a call for self identified mothers that included transwomen but didn't include women who didn't have children (they weren't allowed to identify as mothers, if I understood it correctly, but the males were)?

dontcallmelen · 27/03/2019 12:23

Just off to email Richard Ashworth, I think he is spot on & I really think if what he said had been the norm, we probably wouldn’t be where we are now.

Littlespaces · 27/03/2019 12:25

I have to turn off the TV if TM starts speaking.

1tisILeClerc · 27/03/2019 12:27

Recent policy by the government over the last 20? years to take the funding and 'oversight' of the BBC World service from the Foreign office (when it had serious leaders) has done immeasurable damage to the standing of the UK. The global reporting was held up as almost 'gold standard' in all the far flung places as being as close to reliable as you could get.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/03/2019 12:28

(Times paywall) _ Secret diary of an MP: I want to help but it’s humiliating — a dead cat would be as useful_^

Corbyn is clearly not doing his job if his MPs feel so useless with nothing to do.
He should be leading them, with purpose, even if they don't have enough votes to win in the end.
Don't just sit back and let the Tories run riot with our future.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secret-diary-of-an-mp-i-want-to-help-but-its-humiliating-a-dead-cat-would-be-as-useful-06sq2wll5

I am a Labour MP who voted Remain, representing a constituency that voted heavily to Leave.
I’m torn in two.
I want to be accountable, I want to be involved,
but I sit uselessly and helplessly, trapped in a Commons that’s falling to pieces at a time of national crisis.

This diary is my silent scream

I’m one of the 650.
We’ll all get the blame when the ship sinks,
but in truth you might as well have put a dead cat in there instead of me;
it would have had as much of a role as I’ve had in the Brexit discussions.

Want to know what that feels like? It’s embarrassing, humiliating and hugely, overwhelmingly frustrating." ...

"We’re not alone.
Most Tory MPs know nothing.
Right now it feels like most of the cabinet knows nothing.
It’s all about one woman, the prime minister, and she’s in a bunker so deep that no one can reach her."

"I sought out some Tory mates last week.
They’re very senior in the party.
I wanted them to tell me that despite appearances to the contrary, Theresa May was actually a fantastic poker player, that great minds were being consulted and the country was in safe hands.
Back came no reassurance whatsoever.

Her master plan, it seems, is to survive until the next day.
< that's been obvious since Dec 2017 >
If that doesn’t fill you with terror, nothing will."

"And it’s all so utterly exhausting, which is really weird because physically, obviously, you’re not doing anything, and intellectually you’re not doing anything because you’re not involved in any of the negotiations.
It’s more a spiritual weariness and it comes from a sense of foreboding, guilt and helplessness."

"What’s so frustrating is that I know I could contribute.
If they let me, I could work on this.
If they gave me a role, I’d work until I dropped down dead to try to get the best outcome for this country.

Instead you sit there, waiting, in a constant state of anxiety.
Because any moment now, something else might go wrong and make things even worse.
It’s on my watch but what can I do? Bugger all."

"The terrifying truth is that the democratic structures we all put our faith in have turned out to be made of sand.

Yes, I’m an MP.
There are hundreds of us here this week.

We’re supposed to be taking decisions that will affect our country for generations to come but you know what? Right now I don’t even feel like a tiny cog in this machine.

Most of us here are as bewildered as everyone outside the Commons.
That’s truly frightening

LarkDescending · 27/03/2019 12:30

Labour officially backing Beckett’s “confirmatory referendum” amendment, according to Laura K.

1tisILeClerc · 27/03/2019 12:31

I have emailed to the EP thanking them for their sterling work and support of the greater UK public.

Littlespaces · 27/03/2019 12:32

Wow.

That diary freaked me out.

LouiseCollins28 · 27/03/2019 12:35

How do you resolve that prettybird? if there is 1 party advocating for Scottish Independence then there is 1 party advocating for it. Multiple reps of the SNP on the same show, what's the point of that?

Given your statement on this unfairness, its surprising that you mention Farage and "no Pro-EU MEPs" but omit that QT has had a massive pro-remain bias in panels virtually every broadcast for the last 3 years.

LarkDescending · 27/03/2019 12:35

*(Re Labour statement) sorry, source not Laura K but Guardian live blog.

LouiseCollins28 · 27/03/2019 12:41

Bigchoc, thanks for the MP diary thing! Are all those comments from the same article please?

To quote from it briefly

"I am a Labour MP who voted Remain, representing a constituency that voted heavily to Leave. I’m torn in two."

Well whoever you are, Mr/Ms/Mrs MP you damn well shouldn't be "torn in two" AngryAngry

Tonsilss · 27/03/2019 12:42

What I hate about the BBC (certainly Radio 4) is their obsession with the people in politics. They are forever stopping interviewees from talking about the issues, and forcing them to gossip about the party leaders. It trivialises Brexit.

dontcallmelen · 27/03/2019 12:44

I do actually think TM, is certifiable

woodpigeons · 27/03/2019 12:45

LittleSpaces I find it bearable to mute the volume and put on subtitles when TM is speaking. I do it for Trump as well.

PostNotInHaste · 27/03/2019 12:51

Chair of Petitions Committee defending the Petition and the safeguards that are in place. 96% of signatories in U.K. I think she said plus digital and manual checks.

1tisILeClerc · 27/03/2019 12:53

{Well whoever you are, Mr/Ms/Mrs MP you damn well shouldn't be "torn in two" }

Why not?
(s)he was elected on labour policy, but the Brexit vote was not 'policy' at the time. (s)he understands the harm that leaving will cause.
You have to remember than some workers, notably at Nissan in Sunderland, were TOLD by Nissan management (who will have been party to the pep talk that the government has with them ages ago, that voting leave will probably make the workers redundant, yet the vote in that area was for leave.

cherin · 27/03/2019 13:00

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a fellow mum who's NOT a tory told me there could be sense in becoming a tory member, just to have the chance for an extra vote AGAINST Boris...she thinks it could be 25£ well spent...:-) maybe it's not even needed!
My labour MP was at the march and is going to vote for the Revoke option (if it will still be on the table by tonight...)

Motheroffourdragons · 27/03/2019 13:01

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prettybird · 27/03/2019 13:01

Louise - in Scotland - and in referendums in general - that's easy Smile. Referendums should not be party political, so you give equal time to both "sides" of a binary referendum. This is what I understand happens in countries which are more grown up used to holding referendums, like Ireland or Switzerland. And facts should be fact-checked - as I believe that the Referendum Commission does in Ireland.

A future Independence Referendum should not be about the SNP, or Labour, or the Conservatives Hmm. After all, once Scotland becomes independent, no one knows who will be running the government of an independent Scotland as it hasn't been elected yet Shock

In terms of QT, it is still fact that there have been 35 (or more) appearances by anti-EU MEPs without a single pro-EU MEP appearing (despite them asking). If there has been a slight bias in favour of EU in terms of the overall panellists (I no longer watch it as I got so scunnered with the perpetual over exposure of Farage), then that is not down to the politicians but because pesky experts, like the head of the CBI and the head of the TUC, tend to be pro EU Shock

GeistohneGrenzen · 27/03/2019 13:01

Theresa May starts by saying she will chair a summit on serious violence next week

Does PM stand for [P]oxy Moron?

TalkinPaece · 27/03/2019 13:02

He's got a fucking cheek .....
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/27/labour-barry-gardiner-brexit-is-not-remain-party-and-support-for-public-vote-motion-difficult
How many times has Corbyn ignored the whip?????