Westminstenders: Pragmatism versus Purity

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There is one question for the HoC in the next week and that's will you persue pragmatism or purity?

May looks as if she is being sidelined after a backbench withdrawal of support, the DUPs withdrawal of support and an omminous silence eminenating from the Cabinet.

Her speech on Thursday where she pitted the people against parliament has been her last mistake. She's now a danger to the country's stability and the safety of MPs.

The priority for the week is to pass the SI to change the UK exit date from 29th March to the EU's new terms.

After that, with May's deal stuffed due to lack of support and a Bercow ruling it looks like we are facing some sort of indicative free vote. This seems to be being supported by ministers in government regardless of leave or remain.

The prospect of a Tory Leader Election contest looms. It remains to seen if that can happen in the next three weeks with so much else at stake. But this is the Tory party.

The penny seems to be finally dropping about the reality of leaving the EU and how we leave the EU. A week before we were due to go. The incompetence of Parliament is laid bare in all its glorious full scale.

It is a fair point dg, I guess in the past I have always felt the English saw little if any difference between between the UK and England and nationalism was directed to those seen to be other than the UK. I have had a couple of instances recently where I have seen English Nationalism directed at others in UK. I wonder if that is the biggest threat to the Union.

Interesting.
Listening to a well known internet music 'server' (green logo with a S in the name) and an announcement saying to keep updated with Brexit developments from the UK.Gov website. Not hear that before.

I think English nationalism has been growing for some time. Only it is badged "British Nationalism" aka "Don't They Know Who We Are?" because so many of the English - and the English Establishment conflate England with Britain or the UK

I know that there are intelligent people who don't think that - but there are too many who do . Even if they acknowledge the separate existence of Scotland, Wales and NI, they don't care that the vastly greater population of England always trumps the wishes of the smaller constituent parts - indeed, they revel in the fact.

I have had a couple of instances recently where I have seen English Nationalism directed at others in UK. I wonder if that is the biggest threat to the Union.

The biggest threat to the Union is the repeated demonstration of English politicians how little it means to them. Speaking as someone living in England, with only a vote for an English MP, I am deeply ashamed that immediately after the threat of expulsion from the EU if Scotland became independent, almost the first thing that happens is Scotland gets pulled .... out of the EU.

For that alone, I would happily support any moves for Indyref2.

OK so how does government present the WA, dont they havr to get over Berkow first before they can present it?? Is the extension till April 12th enough of a change to WA? It actually does not change the agreement or the political agreement just date of no deal?

I've heard how Britain is the best country on planet so many times now, and always from people who've never even visited another country let alone lived there. Everything is the best. The best education system, the best justice system, the health services, , the best police force, the best political system ad nauseum. It's embarrassing.

that the vastly greater population of England always trumps the wishes of the smaller constituent part

a factcheck would reveal that there were repeated complaints from England that Scottish MPs votes were being used to ram through legislation which - thanks to devolution - only affected England. Certainly under nuLabour. So there is a two-way flow of shit in the matter ....

I've heard how Britain is the best country on planet so many times now, and always from people who've never even visited another country let alone lived there. Everything is the best. The best education system, the best justice system, the health services, , the best police force, the best political system ad nauseum. It's embarrassing.

Ciao papà ! Non sapevo che hai scritto qui?

The petition has overtaken the population of Finland now (5,503 million) next stop Denmark (5, 749 million)

The petition now has more EU citizens than the separate populations of ten EU member states politely asking that they be allowed to retain that EU citizenship.
Someone somewhere has to start listening.

twitter.com/DerrenBrown/status/1110174315029430272

The petition now has more EU citizens than the separate populations of ten EU member states politely asking that they be allowed to retain that EU citizenship. Someone somewhere has to start listening.

Well abroad, if not at home ...

The majorities under New Labour didn't actually need the Scottish Labour MPs - so the legislation would've passed anyway

Under EVEL though, that can't happen any more - although Westminster can still vote on things that only affect Scotland (viz the "power grab" bringing back devolved powers to Westminster that Scottish MPs weren't even allowed time to debate ) And even with EVEL, it is amazing how many things have a knock-on effect on Scotland. Anything that involves public spending has an indirect knock-on effect

From talking to friends I sense English Nationalism is growing.

This. Every time we've gone to England since the referendum at least one person has felt the need to educate us on what scroungers the Scots are and that Hadrian's wall needs rebuilding pronto. I used to argue, now I just don't care. Dh's parents actually met in England and bonded over the fact that they were both treated like shit by the locals for being Scottish and from NI respectively with a ton of incorrect assumptions made about their backgrounds and personalities (both come from wealthy families and both are very hard workers). It seems like nothing has changed.

It's cemented dh's feelings for sure. He voted no at the last Scottish referendum and with his family (dm's all vote DuP, df's all vote conservative) could have been a poster boy for Unionism, but not any more. He voted SNP for the first time at the last election (as did I) and now thinks we need another referendum on Scottish Independence.

I've heard how Britain is the best country on planet so many times now, and always from people who've never even visited another country let alone lived there. Everything is the best. The best education system, the best justice system, the health services, , the best police force, the best political system ad nauseum. It's embarrassing.

I remember reading Gerald Durrell's account of a French count visiting the family:
Lawrence Durrell: "...about the only thing he hasn't claimed for France is God!"
Leslie Durrell: "Ah, but they probably believe in Him better."

After an hours meeting with TM JC said that TM confirmed indicative votes aren't legal so........So she won't be taking any notice of them and tbh what is the fucking point of having them, she will whip against them all anyway and we will be where we are now. can't anyone stop this blooming woman? John Berkow I'm looking to you now in the hope if TM can't present WA then its no deal or REVOKE! REVOKE!

Every time we've gone to England since the referendum at least one person has felt the need to educate us on what scroungers the Scots are and that Hadrian's wall needs rebuilding pronto.

Stupid and unambitious. Surely the much more penetrating Antonine wall is more to their macho delusions aspirations.

Mind you, if they're happy to invite a load of Syrians and Iraqis to built it, at least it would be historically accurate.

It really isn't worth the precious minute left in life to waste oxygen with that level of stupid.

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And aggressive too. Us English folk really don't realise how aggressive we come across to other countries. I include myself in that and before emmigrating I would have described myself as a complete pacifist, softie.

I'm surprised that no one has started a legal campaign (or if they have I've missed it) with the ECJ to let those Brits that want it keep their EU citizenship after Brexit

Cannot imagine life without the Union

I'm surprised that no one has started a legal campaign (or if they have I've missed it) with the ECJ to let those Brits that want it keep their EU citizenship after Brexit

You can't hit a moving target ...

I've had conversations with quite intelligent people who seemed surprised other people in other countries also think that their country is the best .

The Antonine Wall is to the North of Glasgow (there is an exposed part of it very close to my dad's and a bath house close by) - but it didn't last very long as the natives resisted it so strongly so they retrenched back to Hadrian's Wall.

Given that Glasgow voted Yes in the Indyref, I don't think that FUKD would want pissed-off and thrawn Glaswegians still in the failed Union fomenting rebellion!

I'm surprised that no one has started a legal campaign (or if they have I've missed it) with the ECJ to let those Brits that want it keep their EU citizenship after Brexit

I thought they had.

The radio adverts are part of a government campaign today aimed at EU citizens living here to make sure they apply for settled status, apparently the website goes live this weekend after trials

Can't find the outcome though.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/07/british-group-wins-right-to-take-brexit-case-to-european-court