Westminstenders: Pragmatism versus Purity

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There is one question for the HoC in the next week and that's will you persue pragmatism or purity?

May looks as if she is being sidelined after a backbench withdrawal of support, the DUPs withdrawal of support and an omminous silence eminenating from the Cabinet.

Her speech on Thursday where she pitted the people against parliament has been her last mistake. She's now a danger to the country's stability and the safety of MPs.

The priority for the week is to pass the SI to change the UK exit date from 29th March to the EU's new terms.

After that, with May's deal stuffed due to lack of support and a Bercow ruling it looks like we are facing some sort of indicative free vote. This seems to be being supported by ministers in government regardless of leave or remain.

The prospect of a Tory Leader Election contest looms. It remains to seen if that can happen in the next three weeks with so much else at stake. But this is the Tory party.

The penny seems to be finally dropping about the reality of leaving the EU and how we leave the EU. A week before we were due to go. The incompetence of Parliament is laid bare in all its glorious full scale.

Re the SI to change the exit date - the repeal on exit date of European Communities Act in the EUWA has not been commenced by the Government.

So if the SI doesn’t pass, the UK is still a member of the EU but the UK’s legal system is a bit messy.

Morning!

Gorgeous day here so we are going to the allotment where I will direct DH to do stuff given my current one-armed state. So much fun giving orders!

My MP has just been sent a very long email which basically says stop being an ERG twat and now act in the best interests of the country, drawing his attention to his not-great majority, the petition both relating to his constituency (more than twice his majority) and the country as a whole as well as the march.

I doubt it'll have any effect but I feel better for having got it off my chest!

I'm almost-dreading this week in the HoC given the comments of Barclay and Fox. What's the fucking point?

Re the SI to change the exit date - the repeal on exit date of European Communities Act in the EUWA has not been commenced by the Government

Am I seeing this wrong or do they simply not give a flying fuck about anything, indicative votes, opinion polls, marches, petitions or, when it comes right down to it, laws?

{Re the SI to change the exit date - the repeal on exit date of European Communities Act in the EUWA has not been commenced by the Government}
As Mr Barnier and 'the crew' will be watching these actions like a hawk, it would be fascinating to know what their thoughts and moves will be.
They know the SI has to be laid and presumably TM had told them that it would be.
Getting a bit 'Agatha Christie' now, 'Then there was one'?

Government could ignore indicative Brexit votes, says Liam Fox

I thought a while ago that Theresa May would simply try and continue as if her wretched WA had passed.

Who's gonna stop her ? Not the current shower of HoC.

{I think you're spot on Hasenstein
It is two fingers up to everything at the moment.}

But this has been the 'outward global' stance for a couple of years now.
Domestic 'policy' is one thing (not good) but to be so undiplomatic to world leaders, at least a few of which the UK will be begging for help from, is just beyond belief.

This article explains the difference between the UK’s exit day in the EU treaties and in the EUWA:

publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/03/23/extending-article-50-separating-myth-and-legal-reality/

... the UK’s membership of the EU turns not upon what domestic law says, but upon the position in international law — specifically, the EU Treaties.

... the Government has not yet brought section 1 of the [EUWA] 2018 Act into force. This means that even if exit day was not redefined, 29 March could come and go, and the 1972 [European Communities] Act would remain in place.

The problem is that secondary legislation to convert EU derived law into domestic legislation (and therefore may have diverged omewhat ) that has been passed under the 2018 Act would sit alongside the existing (EU derived) legislation - and it’s the latter that would take precedent.

5,413,297 signatures as from now. Maybe 6 million this time tomorrow.

I blame you lot for me having ‘Close every door’ as an earworm this morning.

Oh god. Shoot me now. DH has a ninety year-old family friend on speaker phone. 90YO is having a rant of epic proportions about control of our borders, his Polish immigrant neighbours who don’t speak English, how we should be allowed to make our own laws, how we liberated France during the war and now they’re treating us appallingly.

DH finding it very hard to get a word in.

{The problem is that secondary legislation to convert EU derived law into domestic legislation (and therefore may have diverged somewhat ) that has been passed under the 2018 Act would sit alongside the existing (EU derived) legislation - and it’s the latter that would take precedent.}
I have a feeling that there have been changes made. I need to do other things (like work!) but there have been noises in the undergrowth.
The fact that Fox the Wherrity sniffer has taken full command of trade deals, might that be included?

SingingBabooshkaBadly
I am sure the front room needs vacuuming NOW, or maybe the garden needs a bit of a 'look over'?

SingingBabooshkaBadly This is also my DM’s tactic - rant loadly (generally regurgitating the Torygraph) and talk over everyone else. Except she lives somewhere where she’s yet to identify a single EU immigrant (I had to point out the people running the Chinese takeaway were third generation weren’t EU anyway).

You could mention how the Free Poles and the Free French etc fought alongside the plucky Brits during WW2?

Tell DH to argue back!

The EU has completed NO-Deal preparations.
europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1813_en.htm

They have voted no confidence in us.
Have our politicians done anything today?

Surely the SI is needed today? Or is tomorrow the deadline? They can’t just ignore it, surely.

Swinging wildly OT did anyone catch:

Skeletons of the Mary Rose ?

TL;DR, DNA and isotope analysis of 8 (of hundreds) of skeletal remains showed that the "English" crew (of the pride of the fleet !) consisted of some distinctly non-English men, plus a second or third generation immigrant. African DNA but raised entirely in England.

The same way the Saxon Horde means everything we thought we knew about the Dark Ages is wrong, so we are now learning that England has a long enough multicultural history that an immigrants descendant was selected to crew King Henry VIIIs pride and joy. Which suggests it wasn't at all unusual.

One for SingingBabooshkaBadlys family friend to stick in their pipe and smoke ,,,,

Going back to about an hour ago missclimpson Mon 25-Mar-19 09:40:29 My next class will start with a look at the placards. I think the "tit" one will need some preparation on my part. 😀
reminds me of my Dutch friend who taught English in the Netherlands in the 60s, saying that one of her pupils, in translating to English the phrase 'my cousin has a little brother' mistakenly wrote an 'l' at the end of the last word, and she had a hard time explaining the correction needed

I’m not up on how the UK gov works (the past couple of years has been a steep learning curve), but how does the House of Lords figure into the next couple of weeks? Do they have to agree and pass the WA or whatever? Or can they block or override HoC? Thanks!!

Surely the SI is needed today? Or is tomorrow the deadline? They can’t just ignore it, surely.

Parliament is sovereign. It can do whatever it likes. That's not hyperbole. It's FACT.

What news of operation 'yellow bellied marmot' that is due to commence today?
Or was it yellow screwdriver, or,,, whatever yellow.

Littlespaces he’s trying but 90YO is just pretending he can’t hear!

Continuity DH has tried What the Poles Did For Us in the War but is just getting a load of incoherent stuff about how we went to war to save the Poles who hadn’t organised their own army to defend themselves...

Oh.

90YO has just told DH he voted UKIP and will do so again.

DH has ended the call...

DGRossetti The Mary Rose exhibition at the Portsmouth Historic Dockyards is excellent - loads of info on the crew including facial reconstructions etc.