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Out of interest, if you voted leave what do you do for a living?

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Shookethtothecore · 22/03/2019 19:13

I promise I won’t ask you anymore questions or it turn into a slanging match, you are untitled to your opinion.
I don’t know anyone of my friends who voted leave, the odd acquaintance who voted leave “because they didn’t really understand” but the people I am friendly with all seem to be remianers. We are in our 30s and to teaching, sales and banking type jobs. Dh is a solicitor and all do law in one form.
I was wondering if certain sectors voted leave generally and if what you did for a living influenced your leave vote, and if you could possibly explain why the leave vote would benefit your sector. I am not here to judge at all just trying to understand

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ifonly4 · 28/03/2019 07:40

DH civil servant. Me - shop assistant and school lunchtime assistant .

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 08:13

TatianaLarina

Ironically, the Leave campaign was clear of their target audience. A senior backroom campaigner was reported to have said: ’our people are the old, the badly educated and the poor’.

Reported by whom and where? I googled your quote and nothing came up.
Do you have a link?

Not commenting on the legitimacy of their argument, haven’t looked at it in detail, simply reporting their findings.

You shouldn't feel intimated by academic research Tatiana - have a bit more confidence in yourself and read one or two of the reports - you'll soon get the hang of it. Wink

Lemonsquinky · 28/03/2019 08:22

The people I know who voted leave are:
A teaching assistant
Coach driver who is now retired
Photographer
Train engineer
Engineer at a company who has a pro Brexit owner who has moved their head quarters abroad.

edgeofheaven · 28/03/2019 08:30

I only know one, she's a frustrated housewife married to a very wealthy man and they have lived as expats all over the world. Hilarious that she doesn't like immigrants or the jobless as she has been both.

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 08:51

PizzaCafe2016
Over 65's make up 20% of the total population (13.5 Million)
1.9 million pensioner in poverty
15.7 million who make up pensioners

Prettyvase

the pensioners who voted leave were not interested in the future of business relations or how it might negatively effect the younger generation, as they are retired and don't really care!

However - one of the key findings of the University of Leicester research is this:

The factor of elderly voters, although having an effect on the outcome, was generally over reported as a dominant factor.

TulipsTulipsTulips · 28/03/2019 08:52

I voted leave and I’m a lawyer

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 08:55

Do stop being a twat Clavinova.

Typcal of many Leave voters, when faced with hard facts you simply ignore, evade and repeat your delusions. And like May, too dim to realise when you’ve lost the argument.

And apparently you can’t even google. Gary Gibbon, political editor @C4 News.

Not even remotely intimidated by research - having been an academic. But I’ve not read that study in detail and won’t comment definitively without having done so.

PizzaCafe2016 · 28/03/2019 08:58

I'm Scotland based and yet to meet a leaver!

Maybe if you travel outside Scotland you would?

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 08:59

Do stop being a twat Clavinova.

Do stop insulting Leave voters. Wink

PizzaCafe2016 · 28/03/2019 09:00

as the leavers I know believe they were duped

Out of 17.4 million how many leavers do you know?

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 09:14

Typcal of many Leave voters, when faced with hard facts you simply ignore

An anonymous quote - reported a journalist? Grin

The factor of elderly voters, although having an effect on the outcome, was generally over reported as a dominant factor.

I thought it was a hard fact that pensioners had a significant influence on the referendum result? Apparently not.

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 09:34

I was referring to your complete failure to confront facts about food and medical supplies consequent on No Deal. Which you dodged for the whole thread.

If you don’t know Gary Gibbon, you can read his book ‘Breaking Point: the EU referendum and its aftermath’.

ALannisterInDebt · 28/03/2019 09:45

I don't know anyone who voted remain.

Some of the Occupations of the leavers I know:

Teacher
Director of a construction company
Banker
SHM
Physiotherapist
Librarian
Managerial post in successful large Retailer
Retired

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 11:14

TatianaLarina
I was referring to your complete failure to confront facts about food and medical supplies consequent on No Deal. Which you dodged for the whole thread.

Of course I did. Wink

In January, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society reported ‘a massive shortage and price spikes’ and Brexit is a major factor.

Thing is, Tatiana - when leading spokespeople for organisations such as the Royal Pharmaceutical Society have links to Revoke Article 50 petitions on their professional twitter accounts - it's quite difficult to view them as impartial.

When your analyst tweets a doubt about insulin supplies - even in February, after all the assurances insulin manufactures have given; when he retweets a line from a Larkin poem, "village louts in Hull" - it's quite difficult to view him as impartial.

When the Royal Pharmaceutical Society are trying to suggest that shortages of ibuprofen and naxproxen are due to Brexit - and I clink on a link to the National Ankylosing Spondylitis Society and read the following;

nass.co.uk/news/current-supplies-of-naproxen-hit-by-shortages/

18 January 2019

There have been reports this week about a shortage of a list of 80 medicines–the most significant for people with axial SpA (AS) being naproxen, an anti-inflammatory which many people use to help manage their symptoms.

What is the problem?

Shortages of drugs are commonplace and can be down to a number of factors:
•Increased global demand
•Cost of raw materials
•New regulatory requirements driving up costs
•Fluctuations in exchange rates
•Generic companies being unwilling to carry on selling unprofitable products.

Is this related to Brexit?

No–it is more of a global problem than just a UK one.

And this:
Shortages of 400 key medicines in Switzerland

The head of the Interlaken pharmacy chain which supplies Swiss hospitals, told Swiss daily Blick that at least 388 medications are currently in short supply in Switzerland. These include ibuprofen tablets
www.thelocal.ch/20180718/shortage-of-more-than-400-key-medications-in-switzerland-increases-calls-for-more-domestic-stockpiles

It's quite easy to believe that there has been a consistent campaign of scaremongering - instigated by people who voted to Remain in the EU.

sansou · 28/03/2019 12:16

I have 2 cousins who voted leave - both highly educated professionals. Management accountant and F1 software engineer both apparently for reasons of sovereignty.

I have middle class friends who voted Leave mainly due to the influx of East Europeans in our rural town and the pressure on school places so underlying anti-immigration/racist tones.

I also have working class acquaintances who voted Leave despite having EU spouses Hmm.

Brexit has totally divided my family and circle of friends. The No.1 mistake is to sign off Leavers as uneducated, working class, thick rightwingers - which is the crux of the problem since Leavers clearly cross the social divide and the political spectrum.

As a remainer, it still annoys me intensely when Corbyn loving supporters kid themselves to think that he will save the day and Labour will stop Brexit. He won't since he's NOT A REMAINER!

Labour needs to take a page out of the Tory books and be more efficient/ruthless in getting rid of their incompetent leader a la Game of Cards and become a proper opposition party.

HollywoodBoulevard · 28/03/2019 12:50

Lots of railway workers voted to leave as the ASLEF and RMT unions recommended them to do so, as they claimed the EU is 'anti-worker'.

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 13:42

Clavinova.

You consistently completely failed to engage with the consequences of No Deal on food and medical supplies. On food your only evidence was the contingency planning of one Irish cheese firm. My detailed response on U.K. capacity - you completely ignored because you had no answer. You equally ignored the evidence of senior NHS figures, among others, on the impact of No Deal on the NHS.

All that is left for you - is to argue the toss over current pharmaceutical supplies. Any figure or body who observes the impact on U.K. supplies by Brexit you dismiss as biased Remainers, including the Royal Pharmaceutical Society. You even making xenophobic comments about one individual.

You are now taking the word of one charity, dependent on public funding, as proof. Who are not, of course in the position of prescribing or supplying medicine themselves.

Meanwhile the PSNC, who negotiate drug pricing on behalf of pharmacies, stated that “concerns around a no-deal Brexit are likely to exacerbate... ongoing issues" As Dukes told Wollaston: “The surge [in concessions] may be due to a combination of factors including Brexit planning and contingency."

In fact if you read all of Dukes’ letter you can see the deep concern about the impact of No Deal Brexit - in terms of disruption and shortage of medical supplies - not only on patients but on pharmacies.

Other countries are irrelevant - their NHS structure and procurement procedures are completely different and they don’t have Brexit to contend with. What matters is what is going on in the U.K.

Piggywaspushed · 28/03/2019 16:50

Maybe if you travel outside Scotland you would?

How patronising...

I'm Bedfordshire based (Brexiteer MP and 52% Leave) and yet to (knowingly)meet a Leaver likewise. People vote tribally : by area, by family inclination, be union mandate, by professional concern, by nationality , and sometimes by their perceived place in a hierarchy They are bound to. And there are bound to be exceptions to the rule.

If someone said 'I am Wales based and yet to meet a remainer' or 'I'm in Lincolnshire and yet to meet a remainer' would you have picked up on it?

I am a secondary school teacher and also yet to meet a Leaver. Because 76% of teachers voted remain and 81% of secondary teachers.

Clavinova · 28/03/2019 17:05

TatianaLarina
You consistently, completely failed to engage with the consequences of No Deal on food and medical supplies.

I fully engaged in our discussion regarding medicines/medical supplies - it was you who dropped out yesterday - declaring that you had already disengaged; the thread had already moved on from food.

You responded to the Government's contingency plans (for medicines and medical supplies in the event of a 'no-deal') with a smiley face - how is that engaging? Further - you addressed my points with a silly rhyme and insults.

“The surge [in concessions] may be due to a combination of factors including Brexit planning and contingency."

I do note the use of the word may here - neat little trick of blaming Brexit without actually proving it.

Other countries are irrelevant
You are now taking the word of one charity, dependent on public funding, as proof.Who are not, of course in the position of prescribing or supplying medicine themselves.

Yesterday, I quoted the former Liberal Democrat MP, Sandra Gidley - a pharmacist and chairwoman of the English Pharmacy Board at the Royal Pharmaceutical Society;

"Unfortunately what's been happening on social media over Christmas is that people have been…assuming this is because of Brexit.There are global issues at play here."

And the Department of Health and Social Care;
"We have not seen any evidence of current medicine supply issues linked to EU exit preparations."

Regarding refrigerated storage for medicine stockpiles - it has been widely reported in the media that the Government has spent a considerable sum of money contracting refrigerated storage for medicines.They have also set up a logistics hub in Belgium.

In fact if you read all of Dukes’ letter you can see the deep concern about the impact of No Deal Brexit-in terms of disruption and shortage of medical supplies-not only on patients but on pharmacies.

Indeed - but most of your references appear to pre-date the announcement of the Government's contingency plans.Do you disbelieve the Government because they are Conservatives - or would you disbelieve any government?

You even making xenophobic comments about one individual.

That is not correct and you know it - I pointed towards possible bias. I would point out that he is the same individual who retweeted a reference to "village louts in Hull".

With regards to food shortages in the event of a 'no-deal' - that is largely an unknown. Many of our ports have now declared that they are ready for 'no-deal', the Port of Dover have declared themselves ready (a number of shipments have been diverted away from Dover in any case), contingency plans have been drawn up to organize the stacking of lorries, temporary tariffs have been introduced, extra customs officials have been hired and there is talk of waving lorries through.

This afternoon, Andrea Leadsom announced that the civil service had finished issuing all the statutory instruments needed for a possible 'no-deal' and the EU Commission declared themselves ready for this earlier in the week.

My detailed response on U.K. capacity - you completely ignored because you had no answer.

I ignored you because the thread had moved on and then you declared that you were no longer engaging - you added further insults.

I will have to be fairly brief here because I am going out again - but a quick google reveals that your stats (from last summer?) are likely to be out of date.

Currently trending on the Food Storage & Distribution Federation website;
www.fsdf.org.uk/members-news/are-temporary-chillers-the-solution-to-uk-stockpiling-crisis-2/

Are temporary chillers the solution to UK stockpiling crisis?

“Aggreko’s chilled and cold storage solutions are available immediately and, importantly, work within existing facilities without impacting production.We hope that this solution to industry will ease concerns manufacturers, retailers and warehousing sector continue to face, allowing them to store unexpected stock in units that meet industry standards.”

Aggreko’s rapid response team means equipment can be delivered and set-up within hours.Additionally, the company’s experienced engineering team can visit locations and design a bespoke package– and install it–with minimum disruption.

Also - Dec 2018 - 108,555 sq foot, state-of-the art, temperature controlled storage facility completed in just 24 weeks;

www.londongateway.com/news-media/news/halo-temperature-controlled-facility-to-reduce-food-miles

Like you Wink - I am hoping for a managed deal - but a considerable amount of work has gone into contingency planning - Remainers are scaremongering.

bellinisurge · 28/03/2019 17:27

Clavinova is, how shall I put it, comfortably off. They are absolutely convinced that everything will be fiiiiiine. So you basically get various versions of that with their posts.

TatianaLarina · 28/03/2019 18:07

I fully engaged in our discussion regarding medicines/medical supplies - it was you who dropped out yesterday - declaring that you had already disengaged; the thread had already moved on from food.

You couldn’t engage with the consequences of No Deal Brexit on food and medicines, which is why you veered into wittering about current supplies.

I stopped bothering with you, as did a previous poster, because your arguments were a combination of ignorance, naivety, delusion & denial.

Now you’re quickly adding quotes from Leadsom and a government department (lulz) and a couple of panicked links to chiller facilities. Added to some very naive comments about Dover, all indicate you still have no grasp of the scale of No Deal issues and WTO trading.

All of which is a classic example of why this vote should never have been put to the public.

So I’ve come to the end of my patience.

Gronky · 28/03/2019 20:05

I stopped bothering with you

Now you’re quickly adding quotes from Leadsom and a government department (lulz) and a couple of panicked links to chiller facilities.

It seems like you're bothering somewhat. Might I suggest that, if you wish to discontinue a dialogue, you conclude at declaring your disinterest in further participation? Alternatively, by all means, continue a discussion. Doing both is rather wanting to eat your cake and have it too. Smile

Shambu · 28/03/2019 21:51

That poster has just said she's ended the discussion. I don't know why Clavinova went on so long - she's just embarrassing herself. Seems like she has form.

Shambu · 28/03/2019 21:59

Anyhow - I know a handful of Leave voters.

My boss supports Leave - or he thinks he does - but he's an expat and didn't vote so I don't hold it against him. He's also a lovely guy.

The rest of them are pretty much all over 65 so fall into that demographic. Other than one woman I work who is probably mid 30s. She was originally from Russia and her husband is French and she now regrets it and would like a second referendum.

Clavinova · 29/03/2019 08:58

Shambu
That poster has just said she's ended the discussion.I don't know why Clavinova went on so long-she's just embarrassing herself. Seems like she has form.

That sounds like an invitation to return to the thread. Wink

You don't have to read my posts.
As for feeling embarrassed - I'm not embarrassed because you want me to be.This is an anonymous forum after all. Grin

Gronky is correct in her observation that TatianaLarina declares her disinterest in the discussion - and then goes on to make further points.

bellinisurge
Clavinova is, how shall I put it, comfortably off.

If you scroll back a few pages - you will see that Tatiana's dh is a surgeon.