Out of interest, if you voted leave what do you do for a living?

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I promise I won’t ask you anymore questions or it turn into a slanging match, you are untitled to your opinion.
I don’t know anyone of my friends who voted leave, the odd acquaintance who voted leave “because they didn’t really understand” but the people I am friendly with all seem to be remianers. We are in our 30s and to teaching, sales and banking type jobs. Dh is a solicitor and all do law in one form.
I was wondering if certain sectors voted leave generally and if what you did for a living influenced your leave vote, and if you could possibly explain why the leave vote would benefit your sector. I am not here to judge at all just trying to understand

The two people I know who voted to leave are a driving instructor and a lawyer. The first voted to annoy his brother (!) and the second voted leave because he thought we would go back to the EU to negotiate a (n even) better deal.

So neither voted because they really wanted to leave.

My mum lives in a Leave area and a lot of the people she knows who voted Leave are retired teachers.

At whose expense? What did those countries who bailed out PIGS receive in return?

Funding.

You claimed that if the ‘weaker’ EU members had wanted to leave Brussels would have been ‘ecstatic’. I pointed out that’s not true so now you’re changing the subject. (And all EU members contribute - another error).

(And all EU members contribute - another error)

Look at this link:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

Not all EU members are net contributors.

I think round here many who voted remain are now saying they would vote to leave if it was repeated

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That's it though - we did read the papers (I almost voted Remain on the day - up until the very last minute).

Remainers (including George Osborne in 2016) overplayed the disaster scenario - the sky is going to fall in, there will be no medicines, no food, people will die of starvation etc. etc. - we just don't believe you anymore.

derxa I’m not reading it like that at all?!

Really? There’s a thread about making voting compulsory where two posters think voters should have to take an ‘exam’ before being allowed to vote.
When asked what form this exam would take, who would mark it, what would the pass mark be the posters failed to respond.

@dapple I meant on this thread.

Where do most of the remained who post on here live?Most of London voted remain Siam wondering if they're overrepresented on Brexit threads.
It's also sad that retired people are targeted by some remainders.How about all those too idle to vote?

I’m in Cardiff.

What I couldn’t understand, is some of wales is the amongst the poorest in Europe. We are don’t get much support from Westminster and the welsh assembly I have issues with. A lot was funded by the EU, probably more than would of been given to us by our own government so for wales and least, remain made sense because we got a lot from it. I hear the argument that we weren’t given the right things. We had parks and museums EU funded and people wanted infrastructure and jobs but at least it was something funded by them, as I really think we will get nothing now

Judging by the answers of which professions voted leave, its obv the lower classes who are the remainers.

This teachers thing is interesting. I genuinely don't know or even know of, a single secondary teacher who voted Leave. I live in a (marginally) leave area (as I said upthread with a very very Brexiteer MP) so I am not sure why/where all these teachers are who have voted Leave. Teachers, doctors (particularly consultants), university lecturers and the creative industries were hugely in favour of remain as professions. Across the country.

Obviously the stats on here aren't credible and it could seem like lots of police voted Leave. I also don't think that accurately reflects the statistical reality so everything needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. A lot of the jobs quoted on here are almost the exceptions that prove the rule.

we just don't believe you anymore.

Out of interest, Clavinova, why don't you believe this anymore? What evidence do you have that these risks have been covered?

Also, are you not more concerned about a general economic hit? Especially in the context of a country with a large deficit, which has already subjected its poorer citizens to swingeing 'austerity' cuts for nearly a decade now?

The class argument is interesting as I think the middle class in the uk is huge, I would consider our family middle class and dh earns 100k a year but in a SAHP and we are not by any means rich just comfortable. And my teacher friends who both work I would also consider middle class as they are comfortable just at a different level. The upper class and working class is so extreme either end of the scale with a massive middle class in the middle j think

Remainers (including George Osborne in 2016) overplayed the disaster scenario - the sky is going to fall in, there will be no medicines, no food, people will die of starvation etc. etc. - we just don't believe you anymore

Yet you believe the industrial scale lies of Leave.

You’re conflating two issues: Remain referendum and the impact of No Deal. If you don’t believe the true impact of No Deal then you are in denial of reality. Even Leave campaigners admit that.

Not all EU members are net contributors.

Ah you’re referring to net contribution, not the same thing.

You’re still avoiding your erroneous claim that the EU have never wanted the ‘weaker’ states to leave.

The leavers I know work in:

Higher Education (admin),
Logistics (HGV drivers)
Farming
Primary education (teacher)
Tradesmen (multi-skilled)

Quite a mix!

Actually I've just remembered one other person I know who voted to leave - she is a finance manger/accountant.

DH and I are remainers who lives in the north west. A lot of people in our local area voted leave, we are definitely in the minority.

A lot of people in my place of work are leavers and we are all employed by local government.

Tolleshunt and TatianaLarina

What evidence do you have that these risks have been covered?

If you are still maintaining that there will be no medicines, no food, people will die of starvation etc. etc. then there is absolutely no point in conversing with you.

Update on trade agreements and mutual recognition agreements for you;

www.gov.uk/guidance/signed-uk-trade-agreements-transitioned-from-the-eu

Norway (the UK's main supplier of crude oil and natural gas) to be added to the list as well;

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-trade/uk-reaches-post-brexit-trade-agreement-with-iceland-and-norway-idUKKCN1QZ2C3

I voted leave. I'm a solicitor (corporate finance if you are interested). Im early 40's. also know a number of entrepreneurs with significant wealth and numerous uk business interests that voted leave. Most of my colleagues voted to stay in fairness.

I still think leaving is the right thing but am in total despair at the way the negotiations are being handled. The vote should never have been put to the people without a thought out exit strategy in place. This is a shit storm and I am very cross with current government at their inability to deal with this adequately. The eu's negotiation manner has also convinced me further we are right to leave though. Once we are out I foresee the break up of the eu as we know it. I don't think we will be the only ones to leave.

What's with the hyperbole and threatened flouncing, Clavinova?

You do realise that it doesn't have to be no food or no medicine for there to be massive problems, don't you?

I used to be involved in government contingency planning for scenarios like food shortages. The amount of time it would descend into chaos, with rioting, looting, and the army needing to be brought in to maintain order is frighteningly short.

That list of signed agreements is absolutely risible. To have so few, with, for the most part, such insignificant countries, is mind-boggling, at this stage of the game.

How much of our stuff do we sell to Chile, do you think? I suppose we'll be ok for out of season asparagus, but that really won't compensate for lack of essential medicines and a massive decades-long economic downturn.

Ideals are a great thing, but doggedly sticking to them in the face of all evidence, and hurtling towards a situation of epic nose-cutting off to spite one's face, is very ill-advised.

What's with the hyperbole and threatened flouncing, Clavinova?

You've just posted:
I used to be involved in government contingency planning for scenarios like food shortages.The amount of time it would descend into chaos, with rioting, looting, and the army needing to be brought in to maintain order is frighteningly short.

I think there are still a lot of assumptions on the threads like this. I don’t know many retired people and have no idea how they voted. All my friends between 35-50, one slightly over 52 or 53 and between them I know for certain that a professor/a senior lecturer/ a lecturer voted leave. And I know for certain 2 professors voted remain, I just don’t know about the rest.

but that really won't compensate for lack of essential medicines

I know 3 pharmacists, at least 20 GPs, surgeons, hospital consultants (including one who works at the Royal Marsden - I am related to him) - all of the ones I have spoken to - say that we are not going to run out of essential medicines. I don't know which way most of them voted - I didn't ask.

Imaleaver I couldn’t agree more. I think the voters are polorized with business owners and entrepreneurs who have the difficulty of complying with the increasingly complex legislation from the EU and the working classes voting to leave. Let’s be fair, we have all seen from travelling in the EU that we seem to be the only ones who comply with all the rules and regulations.

I have mentioned before that benefits and pensions are far higher in say Belgium. I believe people were retiring at 42 in Greece.
Perhaps due to our politicians we had all of the cost but non of the enormous benefit enjoyed by other members.