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Out of interest, if you voted leave what do you do for a living?

506 replies

Shookethtothecore · 22/03/2019 19:13

I promise I won’t ask you anymore questions or it turn into a slanging match, you are untitled to your opinion.
I don’t know anyone of my friends who voted leave, the odd acquaintance who voted leave “because they didn’t really understand” but the people I am friendly with all seem to be remianers. We are in our 30s and to teaching, sales and banking type jobs. Dh is a solicitor and all do law in one form.
I was wondering if certain sectors voted leave generally and if what you did for a living influenced your leave vote, and if you could possibly explain why the leave vote would benefit your sector. I am not here to judge at all just trying to understand

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Tolleshunt · 25/03/2019 10:30

*What's with the hyperbole and threatened flouncing, Clavinova?

You've just posted:
I used to be involved in government contingency planning for scenarios like food shortages.The amount of time it would descend into chaos, with rioting, looting, and the army needing to be brought in to maintain order is frighteningly short. grin*

And??

That's not me having a hissy fit because somebody on the internet doesn't agree with my world-view.

What I posted is a genuine report of how the government, advised by experts, plans for the risks it sees in disruption of essential supplies.

Are you one of those leavers who takes pride in eschewing advice from experts?

Or is it that you only do it when it doesn't confirm your existing cognitive bias?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 25/03/2019 10:36

Judging by the answers of which professions voted leave, its obv the lower classes who are the remainers

I agree jas

Someone said on another thread that it was the media that came up with the leaver/working class remainer/elite trope

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 10:55

Quite a few ports around the country are looking forward to the extra business (Kent County Council might regret publishing some of their contingency planning);

www.peelports.com/news/2019/liverpool-adds-another-new-service-ahead-of-recruitment-drive

MSC is to introduce a new call at the Port of Liverpool-the rotation for the new service is: Turkey–Italy–France–Spain–Portugal–UK Liverpool–Canada

The route will be served by eight 5500 TEU vessels with two calls per week.

In February, Peel Ports also announced that it was aiming to create 250 jobs, mostly in Liverpool, to deal with expected extra demand.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 11:11

Tolleshunt

That's not me having a hissy fit because somebody on the internet doesn't agree with my world-view.

Pretty sure that you're doing the hissing. Grin

Are you one of those leavers who takes pride in eschewing advice from experts?

Do you have a link - which report? The one delivered by the British-Belgian economist at the Bank of England - or the Cambridge academic who volunteered for the Liberal Democrats for 6 months? I look everyone up on LinkedIn now to check for bias.

Tolleshunt · 25/03/2019 11:21

I'm not sure exactly which report you are referring to, Clav.

It's always good to check for bias. Sounds very much like you're cherry-picking though.

Economics is a complicated subject. Remember Roosevelt calling for a one-handed economist? There will always be some dissenting views. In the case of Brexit, though, the majority view is that it will be to the financial detriment of the UK.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 11:29

Tolleshunt

What I posted is a genuine report of how the government, advised by experts, plans for the risks it sees in disruption of essential supplies.

If you don't know which report you are referring to - then I certainly don't. Do you have a link?

Millyonthe · 25/03/2019 11:30

It was also the majority view that we should join the Eurozone.

Mistigri · 25/03/2019 11:38

It was also the majority view that we should join the Eurozone.

Majority of whom? If you're talking about public opinion in the U.K. I am pretty sure that's bullshit. Support for joining the euro peaked at around 30% (though support has risen again since the referendum).

CustardCream114 · 25/03/2019 11:46

I'm an exec assistant, I work in medical research and don't know anyone who voted Remain other than one retired lady who has just got her residency in Spain, but wanted to be able to come back for health treatment.. Hmm..

TatianaLarina · 25/03/2019 11:56

If you are still maintaining that there will be no medicines, no food, people will die of starvation etc. etc. then there is absolutely no point in conversing with you.

I never made the claim in the first place. You still haven’t clarified if you’re talking about No Deal or other version of Leave.

You grasp the difference, right?

Tolleshunt · 25/03/2019 12:01

If you don't know which report you are referring to - then I certainly don't. Do you have a link?

I was reporting my own experience of being part of the 'war games', Clav. This link explains the framework that planning falls under

www.gov.uk/guidance/preparation-and-planning-for-emergencies-responsibilities-of-responder-agencies-and-others

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 12:17

TatianaLarina

You still haven’t clarified if you’re talking about No Deal or other version of Leave.

You grasp the difference, right?

Of course - personally, I would like a WA with tweaks - but I don't think the sky is going to fall in if we end up with No Deal.

Tolleshunt
You linked to preparation and planning for emergencies (2013) - just because you prepare for an emergency - it doesn't mean it's going to happen.

TatianaLarina · 25/03/2019 12:31

I know 3 pharmacists, at least 20 GPs, surgeons, hospital consultants (including one who works at the Royal Marsden - I am related to him) - all of the ones I have spoken to - say that we are not going to run out of essential medicines. I don't know which way most of them voted - I didn't ask.

Bullshit.

DH is a surgeon, two of my best friends are consultants.

NHS trusts are warning that, in spite of stockpiling, in a No Deal scenario the NHS would be facing ‘unprecedented distribution challenges’, cancelled operations, shortage of supplies.

They don’t even know which medicines they are likely to run short of as the government hasn’t told them.

Pharmacists are already reporting struggles with supplies of common medication. 80 of which are in such short supply that the DoH is paying a premium for them.

Of particular concern is anything that needs refrigeration such as insulin, and nuclear medicine - 60% of radiopharmaceuticals come from the EU. If they arrive late they may have decayed too much to use.

NHS Providers - a group representing hospitals and ambulance services across the country has warned of immediate ‘real risk to services’ on No Deal.

Niall Dickson, chief executive of the NHS Confederation and chair of the Brexit Health Alliance, warned that No Deal could mean ‘disaster’ for the health service.

He told a Commons select committee in January:

‘There is no doubt in our minds from every quarter that ‘no deal’ is a real disaster – certainly in the short to medium term’.

Etc.

MeowthThatsRight · 25/03/2019 12:36

I also work in the NHS and can only think two nurses that voted leave. I’m really surprised at how many doctors are saying on here they voted leave. That is the complete opposite to my experience.

TatianaLarina · 25/03/2019 12:36

I would like a WA with tweaks - but I don't think the sky is going to fall in if we end up with No Deal.

The WA can’t be ’tweaked’ - that’s just a Leaver unicorn.

Sky falling in is meaningless. Chaos and disruption are the inevitable consequence of no Deal. Despite your claim food and medical supplies will be impacted.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 12:44

Despite your claim food and medical supplies will be impacted.

For which we have made contingency plans, for example -

Irish cheese producer, Ornua, said as part of its Brexit readiness, it has been moving cheddar to storage in the UK ahead of the March 29 deadline.

Currently over six months worth of stock is in warehousing in the UK, which amounts to around 40,000-50,000 tonnes of product.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/uk-world/irish-producer-ornua-storing-cheddar-in-great-britain-as-brexit-buffer-37781564.html

isittheholidaysyet · 25/03/2019 12:45

Some of the leave voters I know:

SAHPs
Teachers
Educator in the hospitality industry.
Small business owners (food. HR. Sports)
Artist
Vicars
Police officer

Of my friends, northerners voted leave, southerners voted remain. Retired voted remain, younger people voted leave. Most are (at least) degree educated.

TatianaLarina · 25/03/2019 13:46

For which we have made contingency plans

So, one kind of cheddar has moved its storage and that counts for ‘contingency plans’ for food and medical supplies?

Irish cheese is the least of our problems. We import 40% of our food - 75% of which comes from the EU. 50,000 tonnes passes through our ports from the EU every single day.

Fresh food cannot be stockpiled and anyway there’s no extra capacity in the supply chain for food to be stored and sit around. Of the 385 refrigerated warehouses in the UK , more than 90% is in constant use with supertight margins.

We won’t run out of food completely, but there will be severe disruption.

That is leaving side the price increases due to tariffs.

Bartlebysleftshoe · 25/03/2019 14:00

Leave voters I am acquainted with:-

5x Retired (2 of which have returned from early retirement in France due requiring care from NHS)
2x Agriculture
1x Sales in tourist industry.
1x Office admin
1x Builder
2x Retail workers

Only 2 of the above are University educated, & 1 said they voted leave as a protest as they were unhappy with the current UK political situation.

Piggywaspushed · 25/03/2019 15:24

These are some stats re the NHS workers for those interested:
The poll of more than 1,000 medical professionals – 322 doctors and 707 nurses – shows a clear shift towards staying in the European Union if there were given the chance. They would now prefer to stay in by three-to-one (75 per cent to 25 per cent) compared to 66 to 34 per cent two years ago.

I can't copy the poll results of teachers because it's behind a paywall but 75% of teachers nationwide voted remain.

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 19:13

TatianaLarina
Bullshit
DH is a surgeon, two of my best friends are consultants.

I didn't notice your post earlier.

Well bullshit to you too because I am related to a cancer specialist and my neighbour is a hospital consultant etc. etc.

Pharmacists are already reporting struggles with supplies of common medication.80 of which are in such short supply that the DoH is paying a premium for them.

My pharmacist friends have told me that there is always a shortage supply list of medicines - for which a premium is paid - that's nothing new. I'm surprised your dh didn't know that.

Of particular concern is anything that needs refrigeration such as insulin

Insulin supplies have been discussed on these threads over and over again. Insulin manufacturers are stockpiling up to 18 weeks supply in the UK and medicines are coming to the UK via ports nowhere near Dover - or by air freight.

Piggywaspushed · 25/03/2019 19:18

Your medical friends are very much in a minority , voting wise for their professions.

mrsstephens89 · 25/03/2019 19:24

I’m a physio
Other people I know who voted leave
-forensic psychologist
-handyman
-electrician
-stonemason
-secondary teacher

Clavinova · 25/03/2019 19:51

Your medical friends are very much in a minority, voting wise for their professions

I don't know how most of them voted - I've already said that - we've only talked about possible shortages/impact of 'no-deal'.

TatianaLarina · 25/03/2019 21:07

Well bullshit to you too because I am related to a cancer specialist and my neighbour is a hospital consultant etc. etc.

Ffs.. I’m not calling bullshit because I know doctors, who doesn’t? I’m calling bullshit because the information is in the public domain.

Like the information from different areas of the NHS you ignored in my post.

Pharmacists are reporting unprecedented shortages. Which you might know if your information didn’t derive from your mates.

Do you really think No Deal issues will last no more than 18 weeks? Do you really think it’s just insulin that might need to be flown in?

Multiply that across every medication with shelf life - has refrigeration or radioactivity requirements etc. and factor in additional costs of red tape and trade barriers for all the supplies that come from the EU - and the result is the Nuffield Trust reports that the NHS faces extra annual cost shock’ of up to £2.3 billion by the end of 2019-20 as a result of No Deal.

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