Revoke Article 50 petition 2

[MrPan]

Finished the last thread, here's a replacement...

In most countries where significant changes to the status quo are being made they need a super majority.

6,066,999

Average 2 signatures per minute

At that rate it will take over 10 years to exceed 17.4 million. How can people be sure they are genuine signatures? Kids can sign, foreigners can sign and same person can with multiple emails?

foreigners can sign

How do you know they are foreigners?

I understand the kid and multiple emails bit....

But i really dont get the 'foreigners' bit

I think Mayhem is referring to the fact that all U.K. residents, including foreigners, are legally allowed to sign petitions. Apparently this invalidates the petition.

misti

Thank you

So we shouldnt let 'foreigners' sign petitions in this country even when it directly affects them.

(I just typed 'us' accidentally when it should have been them and thought 'fuck me dont do that!!!' Ive already been told to leave the country on these types of threads )

And is there a definition of foreigner or is it anyone who isnt an actual citizen?

@MayhemNowCertain as has been explained multiple times and MP represents all their constituents not just the electorate.

A petition can be signed by people who are constituents because they have a say, a stake and an opinion.

Only elections are restricted to the actual electorate - and the electorate changes depending on the type of election.

Do you need this again only slower?

Apparently this invalidates the petition

Can the remainers explain why petition which can be signed by under 18s and by the same person multiple times with different email addresses be considered the will of the people?

The counter argument is that UK has a population of 67 million. Therefore 61 million have not signed the petition? The remainers argue that 50 million did not vote to leave therefore leave is not the will of the people. Surely the same logic has to be applied to the petition?

Oh have we dropped the foreigner bit

Thats nice

I can't explain why its the will of the people cos i don't believe it, have never said it and i don't remember seeing any other person who said they voted remain saying it

And even if i was told of such a person i still wouldnt know why they thought that

Sorry i know thats unhelpful

Christ not this again. It's a petition. Its 6 million people (therabouts, allowing for some people signing twice etc) expressing an opinion via a legitimate channel.

And what adarkandstormy said

allowing for some people signing twice etc

So it has finally been acknowledged that the same person can sign more than once. I know several leavers who signed it multiple times not because they have changed their minds, but to make a mockery of the petition.

So it has finally been acknowledged that the same person can sign more than once. I know several leavers who signed it multiple times not because they have changed their minds, but to make a mockery of the petition

It was acknowledged on the ither thread as well

It seems silly making a mockery of a petition you dont agree with by signing multiple times

One assumes that do that on other petitions they dont agree with as well

I know several leavers who signed it multiple times not because they have changed their minds, but to make a mockery of the petition.

Seriously? That makes no sense.

Apologies if this has already been posted.

Brexit: Revoke Article 50 if deal fails, Theresa May urged Manufacturers seek end to ‘damaging short-term decisions
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-revoke-article-50-if-deal-fails-theresa-may-urged-7gd2z3l3r

Apologies it's a pay wall, but 1st paras gives you an idea.

@MayhemNowCertain
Can the remainers explain why petition which can be signed by under 18s and by the same person multiple times with different email addresses be considered the will of the people?

Because as has been explained before, several times, it isn't the will of the people. It absolutely isn't an election or referendum it is however a demonstration of the strength of feeling of a significant part of the population.

See I used the term population not electorate.

The petition is a valid form of citizenship action, people trying to make their voices heard. As has also been said several times many leavers complain they are unheard, disenfranchised and feel voiceless.

People being mocked and ignored for trying to influence politicians and engage with the political classes is apparently one of the reason the Brexit vote was as big as it was.

I know several leavers who signed it multiple times not because they have changed their minds, but to make a mockery of the petition.

I assume they also do that on their own petitions? Weirdos ...

It seems a weird thing to tell your friends

'Yeah i gamed and cheated the revoke petition'

Plus knowing if its gets to a certain level of signatures it will be debated in parliament

Youd look fairly fucking stupid if it were your signature that tipped the balance and they ended up debating and revoking

Youd look a right twat

(Of course most people were well aware it wouldn't achieve anything, but its nice to stand up for something you believe...or not in the case of mayhems acquaintances)

Maybe they don't sign petitions for things they support, only for things they don't support. Just to weird us out.

Just to weird us out.

Well its working

Can the remainers explain why petition which can be signed by under 18s and by the same person multiple times with different email addresses be considered the will of the people

Why are under 18s not considered to be clever enough to express an opinion about EU membership but they were considered clever enough to have a vote in the Scottish indyref?

I don't think small kids should be signing, but my 16 year old signed and I see no reasons whatsoever why he should not express his views.

Maybe they don't sign petitions for things they support, only for things they don't support. Just to weird us out.

Peak Brexit.

You're not allowed to call these people stupid though.

Why are under 18s not considered to be clever enough to express an opinion about EU membership but they were considered clever enough to have a vote in the Scottish referendum

That’s correct and it still not produce the result that the fish heads Salmon and Sturgeon wanted, but demonstrated how MP’s can move the goalposts when they think it is to their advantage - ie cheat.

"One of the issue we hear from leavers is that their voices have gone unheard and that no one listens to them"

Maybe b/c they have proven themselves capable of supporting very undeliverable & very damaging political projects? I dunno. There might be a reason they aren't being listened to. Just an idea.