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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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Songsofexperience · 21/03/2019 22:01

A lot can happen in 3 weeks. It's better than nothing!

CordeliaEarhart · 21/03/2019 22:01

it has to be next week or we break terms of the extension...

Phew. So the WA will be either passed or dead by the end of next week?

1tisILeClerc · 21/03/2019 22:01

I am presuming that Theresa can still invoke a 'crash out' next Friday?

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/03/2019 22:02

1.83 million now. If it keeps going up at this rate we can crack 2 million by midnight.
That would be a million extra signatures in 9 hours.

Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:02

They haven't said if it's not passed we give you more time. It;s the exact opposite, in fact no, it was 29th march and then it will be 12th April.... Which is more time

Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:03

Phew. So the WA will be either passed or dead by the end of next week? yes it has to pass next week. If not we need to go back to drawing board and have until 12th to figure out what that is!

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:04

Steven Swinford @steven_swinford
EXCLUSIVE:

Sir Graham Brady, head of 1922 committee, told PM on Monday that Tory MPs want her to quit over Brexit during meeting in No 10

He told her a growing number of MPs think the time has come for her to go amid fury over A50 extension

[[EXCLUSIVE:

Sir Graham Brady, head of 1922 committee, told PM on Monday that Tory MPs want her to quit over Brexit during meeting in No 10

He told her a growing number of MPs think the time has come for her to go amid fury over A50 extension

t.co/Wj5IMADUN0

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GD12 · 21/03/2019 22:05

The EU are inviting the UK to get rid of May. When her deal is voted down next week, MPs have a choice. They can keep her in power and know she's running the clock down to a no deal on 12 April or they can get rid of her or use Cooper Boles to say they'll be taking part in EU elex before April 11. It's very clever by the EU, it backs the UK parties into a corner. If Labour do nothing and don't vote for elex then they're aiding a no deal. If May does nothing then she's heading for a no deal. It's very, very clever and makes the UK choose. If the UK takes part in the elex and there's a long delay, Brexit is dead.

prettybird · 21/03/2019 22:05

BestisWest - it was, I think, to do with regulatory data transfer issues.

The fact that we know that there are people in France and Germany who are legitimately signing these petitions demonstrates that there are cross border data transfers. So there's a problem right there.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 21/03/2019 22:05

Is the 12th date given as the time to try and put our no deal shit in a vague sense of order though?

CordeliaEarhart · 21/03/2019 22:07

Thanks horehound. But am I right in thinking that they can't offer longer extensions unless we vote in EP elections?

TalkinPaece · 21/03/2019 22:08

Horehound
I admire your blind optimism.
But no
its crash out on 29th March
or crash out on 12th April
because the HoC is over 150 votes away from passing the WA

Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:08

Whoever it was that posted this new information about the 7th may and the 12th April...can you post the link to it or provide a source?

GD12 · 21/03/2019 22:08

The 12th is given as its the latest the UK can say its taking part in the EU elections.

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/03/2019 22:08

More time than the original date, yes. But not more time than if it passes. You said:

But theres a reason they say if its not passed then we give you even more time

When actually they are offering her more time if it passes than if it doesn't. And either way they are offering her much less time than she asked for.
No deal is by no means off the table - and if we don;t agree to hold elections by April 11th it is unavoidably happening the very next day.

Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:09

talkinpaece What about revoke or lengthy extension?

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:09

I am presuming that Theresa can still invoke a 'crash out' next Friday?

WELL

She could refuse the extension. Except she's been instructed to ask for an extension by law.

In law we still technically exit on the 29th March without it being amended. HOWEVER due to the quirk of EU law, overriding UK law we could still, in law be in the EU on the 30th. (The uncertainty of this in itself, is a bit of an issue).

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:10

Harry Cole@mrharrycole
Hear PM still planning to do a presser tonight...

Joy!!!

Something still to look forward to!

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Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:10

When actually they are offering her more time if it passes than if it doesn't yes i know that but i meant more time in relation to 29th march.

prettybird · 21/03/2019 22:11

I've been mentioning the 12th April for a wee while as a deadline for No Deal, as that is the latest date we can legislate to participate in the EU Parliamentary elections. The EU is not going to risk the integrity and legitimacy of the EU Parliament. The irony of legitimately wanting to protect the democratic process, which is supposedly thwarting the UK's "democratic" Hmmprocess Confused

BettySundaes · 21/03/2019 22:12

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Horehound · 21/03/2019 22:13

Thanks gd12.
Yeh so this bit expects UK to indicate a way forward for the consideration of EUCO indicates that they'd expect us to ask if we want a longer extension, a revoke, new agreement blah blah. It's been left open. It does not say "that's it, games up!"

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:14

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Exclusive:

Eight Remain ministers today warned chief whip they could quit if she blocks free vote on new bid to stop no-deal Brexit

Cross-party group of MPs to table amendment that could force PM to accept longer extension to A50 if her deal fails

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/21/remain-ministers-warn-theresa-may-will-quit-blocks-free-vote/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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WaterQuarter · 21/03/2019 22:14

Good Friday is the following Friday as far as I'm aware