Westminstenders: The Last Rites

[RedToothBrush]

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

Hazardghost yep. I wish I hadn’t bothered. It’s clear who the leavers believe and it’s not us.

{It was then they decided 'she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her'.}
So that 'taking back control' and 'easiest deals ever' is going well then?

Kids in 500 years time will be studying Henry VIII and his influence on Brexit. It'll matter

The divisions are pretty much the same ...

If the FT reporting is correct, her plan B is no deal but she just didn't want to say it.

Fab news. I'm simply delighted for those who'll be alive in 2519

I think Theresa Mays MV will be on MV25000 by then when it is voted for in the commons!

Running down our economy isn't the smartest way to get enable us to make greener choices, where will the money for investment in new technologies come from? Where will the money to buy new greener forms of transport come from? How will importing much cheaper meat from the US be greener?
What are people thinking is going to come from Brexit to help climate change?

Are we waiting for the european council to make a statement?

Realistically, there is no way out of this is there. May won't revoke and we're not going to get a new government that will.

Kids in 500 years time will be studying Henry VIII and his influence on Brexit. It'll matter people will talk about it,. doesn't mean it matters per se.
No one wants a no deal, they seem to be collaborating to avoid it, it will be fine. :)

It was then they decided 'she didn't have a plan so they needed to come up with one for her'.

If I felt an iota of sympathy for the woman I'd be burning with humiliation for her. She's woefully out of her depth.

I'm just deeply grateful that they're taking the time to construct a plan B for us. She certainly doesn't deserve it.

Oogie aye...the cultishness of Leave makes even the nicest Leaver dumb to what's happening it seems.

Sam Coates Times @samcoatestimes
The future of Britain determined by a man with a black laptop surrounded by top EU officials

Petition update: 1.5M

Littlespaces - ugh, yes. My parents voted Remain but they're still giving me all this complacent bullshit about "why is everyone so scared of No Deal, young people today are snowflakes, our parents' generation survived the War".

Leaving aside the fact that the War wasn't a random act of self-harm, my grandparents barely survived it.

• My maternal grandad lost almost all his friends and suffered such severe PTSD that he caused the death of his own firstborn child (awful story that I can't share here in case someone recognizes it).
• My maternal great-aunt died an alcoholic because the death of the man she loved broke her.
• My paternal grandmother lost several siblings and was so damaged that she never hugged her children or grandchildren.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. We're fucking up our country and my kid's future chasing some rosy myth of a past that never existed.

GD
OMG I was thinking exactly the same! Clearly her plan B is No Deal (she basically said so yesterday in that delirious rant) but doesn't have the courage to say it.

The divisions are pretty much the same ...

Yep. And that's why it will matter.

Just seen from a couple of technical internet/telco friends that the Petitions website uses Amazon's AWS to host the back end, which is apparently scalable (hence the repeated, but solved, overloads) - but they're struggling with the email servers.

But the really funny bit, with ongoing implications, is that we will be unable to access AWS in the event of crashing out with no deal and no adequacy designation for data processing! The irony of it

I wonder if they've done No Deal planning for the ability of the Petitions website to continue to operate? No .....but there again, what government needs or wants petitions if we're about to be subject to under martial law?

So glad the EU leaders are working up a plan. I have a great deal more faith in them than I do in May!

My leave voting parents who regret their vote have signed the revoke petition, and my mum has shared it with her 3 Facebook friends! I'm so proud of them for being big enough to admit their mistake and try to do what little they can to fix it.

Here we go...

NEW: updated draft conclusions: 'EUCO agrees to an extension to 22 May, provided WA is approved by the HoC next week. If the WA is not approved by the HoC next week, EUCO agrees to an extension until 12 April, expects UK to indicate a way forward for the consideration of EUCO'

dreichuplands
You are of course correct but keep it quiet as you will wake the unicorns.

EUCO giving MPs one final chance to take charge by the looks of it.

So definitely no crash out on 29 March, at least.

David Allen Green@davidallengreen
UK could not be in a weaker position about Brexit.

There has been complete policy failure.

UK so weak EU is sorting out the exit for us. and will let us know.

PM has destroyed her position in Parliament.

The shambles is absolute.

This is what a Clusterfuck looks like.

(Long-term followers will know I rarely swear. But I do when appropriate, and the time is now.)

He swore!!!

Can someone explain to me, given the present situation, why it would be bad to be run by Brussels rather than Westminster? Cos on the evidence presented to me, its currently looking very preferable.

We are gonna need another thread tonight aren't we?

NEW: updated draft conclusions: 'EUCO agrees to an extension to 22 May, provided WA is approved by the HoC next week. If the WA is not approved by the HoC next week, EUCO agrees to an extension until 12 April, expects UK to indicate a way forward for the consideration of EUCO

So still not a No deal..

Spot on redtooothbrush spot on

I think the EU have been quite fair in that. It's literally giving the UK one final chance and puts a plan in place for the UK. It has to be a decision for April 12 or its goodnight.