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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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HazardGhost · 21/03/2019 20:26

Out of random interests how does one know when one's country has turned into an authoritarian state?

Does one need to read up on this?

One has no idea why one is referring to one's self as one, one assumes it's a stress response.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 20:27

Robert Peston@peston
The Brexit postponement plan being discussed here in Brussels - for hours longer than expected - has the potential to tear apart the government and Tory party, and Labour too. Because its explicit proviso that the UK has to decide by 11 April whether to participate in...

The Brexit postponement plan being discussed here in Brussels - for hours longer than expected - has the potential to tear apart the government and Tory party, and Labour too. Because its explicit proviso that the UK has to decide by 11 April whether to participate in...

could see the UK in the EU till at least the end of the year, or opt for May’s deal in short order or leave in 7 weeks without a deal. With the EU explicitly raising the possibility of a longer delay, there will be MPs in all parties - and ministers, and Labour frontbenchers...

who view that prospect as trumping party loyalty. Civil war could break out in Labour and Tory parties. And remember May has said a long delay would be over her political dead body. So if the EU finally announces this complicated formula for a short or long Brexit delay, and a...

negotiated or no-deal Brexit, MPs and ministers would have just under three weeks to decide what kind of Brexit (if any) they want, when they would want it and whether Theresa May should be evicted from 10 Downing Street before all the daffodils have gone. This is a Brussels...

recipe for Westminster mayhem. We’ll see if it survives the night.

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dreichuplands · 21/03/2019 20:27

But leavers want to leave, they don't see leaving as a damaging process so it isn't that surprising that they aren't off put by a hard Brexit.

The 68% isn't of all labour voters, just the leave ones.

yolofish · 21/03/2019 20:27

I cannot understand why anyone would think No Deal was a remotely good idea.

Even if you are JRM et al and are moving your money off shore PDQ, what is the point of fucking the country over? Surely however rich you are and how little you care, it would be nice to live in, or be able to visit, a functioning nation.

Perhaps I am totally naive...

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 20:29

Perhaps I am totally naive...

You don't have security and a bunker. What would you know.

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CordeliaEarhart · 21/03/2019 20:29

If anyone can face watching last night's speech again, these folks have added some honest subtitles:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A107-6xzrr8

TheElementsSong · 21/03/2019 20:30

Blimey, so May screwing about in such a spectacular way means 20% more for No Deal rather than Remain?!

I did say it's a cult. A death cult, to be precise. A somebody-else's-death cult, to be more precise.

yolofish · 21/03/2019 20:30

snort RTB! looking round house for bunker opps right now...

Yamayo · 21/03/2019 20:31

Petition is definitely broken right now.Hmm

HepzibahHumbug · 21/03/2019 20:31

The long delay I kind of thought they would do, but not the two shorter options. Genius! Keeps our stupid govt on the hook. Now we must pray that HoC takes control and gives another people's vote. At the moment its all getting dangerously near parliament versus people (aka referendum result). We need another vote desperately. MPs can't move this on wothout one, surely?

NoWordForFluffy · 21/03/2019 20:31

I agree, yolo. Baffling.

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 21/03/2019 20:34

Did I read someone say that May is doing another podium tonight? If s, what time please?

chocolateworshipper · 21/03/2019 20:35

Petition at 1.4M

May was supposed to do press conference at 6.30 but is obviously delaying it until the EU leaders have come to an agreement

Pilcrow · 21/03/2019 20:36

I just came back into the room and saw my first 'we're leaving the EU' TV ad.

Funnily enough, it didn't mention body bags or medication shortages.

Looks as though they've decided to go for it.

Littlespaces · 21/03/2019 20:37

It comes across as a cult in my family. You can put up any logical argument and back comes -

We Won
Leave means Leave
When you get older you will understand
Back in my day
The 1950's....
They need us more than we need them
The voting age should be raised to 25
They are coming over here and taking jobs
350 million for NHS
Guff about the war
We'll survive
It will be better if people are less materialistic (say the ones with a house)

Quite honestly the stupid unthinking rhetoric from Teresa May feeds into this frenzy and magnifies it. It is like banging your head against a brick wall.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 20:37

EU are still discussing over dinner as they overran

Meanwhile May is sat in another room eating by herself.

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CordeliaEarhart · 21/03/2019 20:39

Plan for today: PM says something nice to EC, they have a quick chat and send representatives to make a statement at 6pm then head off for dinner while TM makes a statement.
What actually happens: PM said something to EC that took 90 mins and she didn't have an answer to "what if the WA doesn't pass?". EC chat taking way longer than expected so they have to take a break to eat then are going back to it.

GroovieGazelloo · 21/03/2019 20:40

In cas this helps anyone making posters. They're A3 size:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/1HkT2I9ZJ47iVk4MNWS75ECzQ1GwK4WE?usp=drivee_open

Thanks to led by donkies

Flowerplower · 21/03/2019 20:41

what is the point of fucking the country over?

Some of them are psychopaths (including JRM) and they find it entertaining. I truly believe this.

MyNameIsArthur · 21/03/2019 20:42

If TM were allowed to have a vote on MV3 next week, would there be option for amendments and would the amendments have legal standing?

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 20:43

David Byers @ davidbyers26
Source quote of the day, in the FT...

That so sounds like Dominic Grieve

Westminstenders: The Last Rites
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SwedishEdith · 21/03/2019 20:44

Labour leavers swing behind no-deal; 68% now back no deal, up from 48% last week

But aren't Labour leavers only about 24% of Labour voters? Who does that 'Labour leavers' refer to really?

Horehound · 21/03/2019 20:46

It's annoying actually the absolute panic everyone is having. Like we need a fucking earthquake and tsunami so fucking wipe out half the country and then we might have something to actually panic and cry about.
It'll all be fine. Will this matter in 500 years? Nah!

HazardGhost · 21/03/2019 20:47

JRM definitively a psychopath imo.

By contrast, populist authoritarian regimes "are mobilizational regimes in which a strong, charismatic, manipulative leader rules through a coalition involving key lower-class groups".

Phew we're safe...May is in no way charismatic Grin

paddingtonbear1 · 21/03/2019 20:48

Have signed the petition, but no email yet.