Westminstenders: Neglectful Drunkeness!

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The HoC has spend the past 3 years in a state of Neglectful Drunkeness.

As it stands less then two weeks from Brexit Day, there is no deal we were promised. The Conservative and Labour Parties are more divided than ever.

The government is in disarray as 8 Cabinet ministers plus the chief whip voted against the Prime Minister including the Brexit Secretary who had minutes earlier argued for an extension only to vote against it. He is now on the brink of resignation.

The DUP look like they may be about to capitulate and vote for a deal. But it may not be enough even then.

This is what the cliff edge looks like.

Who wants to take a closer look?

No but retired people have children and grandchildren who may well be looking for work. But I am a Remainer, so my views don't count.

but retired people have children and grandchildren who may well be looking for work

Sadly, many Leavers seem quite delighted with the idea of somebody else paying the price which they deem worth it, for Brexit.

Peston's latest analysis worth a read - not for the faint of heart...

www.itv.com/news/2019-03-19/can-pm-find-out-what-brexit-mps-want-next-week/

Peregina my point is that if there are significantky higher number of people for whom employment isn't a priority to them, then their priorities for Brexit are of course going to be different.

The issue is that government shouldn't be pandering to that prioritisation if its not in the national interest.

Yet here we are.

red That is a coupling made in hell 🤮
horrible calls to horrible

I can only say McVey and Davies deserve each other

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3537224-Westminstenders-Erskine-Mayhem?watched=1

I'm off out. Due back after lunch. If I don't decide to just disappear for the afternoon. Which is tempting today. Very tempting.

* but retired people have children and grandchildren who may well be looking for work*

FIL expressly said he thought DH losing his job would be a price worth paying.

I think FiL is resentful that he had a low level caretaking type job all his life. He resents the fact that DH (who is his only child and is not uni educated) has been successful in financial services stuff.
Similarly FIL has had a go at me for being uni educated.So you can't win.
Uni= bad.
Self made man also = bad.

The only thing that he respects is white people enduring hardship.

How dare you discuss esoteric luxuries like universities and conferences

It's actually another area where many austerity inspired Brexit voters like FiL and the JRM types are aligned.

~JRMs want to shrink universities so that the elite stays- well- elite and less then needs spending on education.

~Many austerity inspired Brexit voters dislike Uni grads because the University of life is superior and they did alright without going to college.

Sod business, sod wealth generated from Unis and research and innovation - who needs that.

Bercows decision was absolutely right and proper but i do think it has made no-deal more likely, given Mays priorities are her party not the country.
But then again, anything is more probable now!

Retired Leavers on a good pension, especially index-linked, owning their own homes - and 1+ more to let out -

would hardly notice hardship that will break many people in employment .... who may lose their income and their homes

Also, as posted, the better off won't even be affected by meds shortage, as they can nip to the continent to get a prescription and hav it filled out.
In fact, they can afford to spend 3 months out of the country on a lovely sunny holiday.

The Leave pensioners in Spain will be fine too, because the govt there will be looking after them wrt healthcare etc until things are sorted
Same for most of us retired / about to retire in E27 countries

Mind, anyone just on a UK state pension is likely to suffer from higher prices and meds shortages

*FIL expressly said he thought DH losing his job would be a price worth paying^

Strange how paying the price is much easier when it’s someone else paying.

I would like to try an experiment. Propose that if we leave with no deal the state pension would be cut by 20%. See if it’s a price worth paying then.

Of course the clusters of very hi tech start up companies around universities is all just cobblers and not worth it for the UK (in Leavers minds). All the developments into computers, researching cancer treatments and other world leading activities is pure accident.

Where and why did the EMA leave now?

I did originally think planning the March for 5 days before Brexit day was leaving it a bit late. I should have known the Govt would still be faffing about and it’d still be all to play for.

I think a huge turnout would be another important thing for the Govt to factor in to their thoughts.

So everyone - come along!

So everyone - come along!

And bring a friend.

Bercows decision was absolutely right and proper but i do think it has made no-deal more likely, given Mays priorities are her party not the country.

I don’t think Bercow can be held responsible for it - strong signs are that if the vote had been held this week it would have been voted down again.

What has made No Deal likely is May’s poor deal that no-one in Parliament supports and her handling of the votes.

"FIL expressly said he thought DH losing his job would be a price worth paying"

Has he shown signs before maybe of resenting his son's success ?

adequate The well-off Leave retirees are not dependent on the state pension and would just give a mild grumble at their "sacrifice"

Those who have no other pension, or only a tiny one, would really suffer - but may have realised this from the start

Has he shown signs before maybe of resenting his son's success ?

That's an interesting q. Certainly not proud of DH ..a bit resentful over cars etc. However not shown any major signs of jealousy.

The most interesting bit was I've known him 15 years. Not once has the fact that I'd been to Uni been mentioned. Not once- but no one in DHs family has. Then when FIL was losing a Brexit debate (based on stuff I've read on here! ) FIL just turned on me and said I don't care what you've learnt at Uni.

{What has made No Deal likely is May’s poor deal that no-one in Parliament supports and her handling of the votes.}

Mrs May's WA 'deal' is not unfair but it does require proper negotiation and does not include cake.
DD/Dom Raab did not bother to put forward a proposal that was at all achievable, and then Mrs May waded in and still didn't produce anything achievable. 3 years in and the UK still hasn't realised that cake is not on offer, but a workable deal would be, (the WA) if the stopped buggering around with trying to wheedle out of responsibilities.

Liking this Daily Mash post

"I only smirked because it was fucking hilarious" says Bercow.

Boggling a little bit that people think BoJo negotiated . Did I miss something in between him making up nasty songs about people he had to meet and be nice to?

Very interesting Select Committee on at the moment.

Reduction of tariffs to zero not taken into account in spring statement (because its not yet policy). The office for budget responsibility would need modelling to be completed by other Govt departments on the impact of zero tariffs on various areas of the economy.

Tariffs that will be imposed will likely be swamped by exchange rate fluctuations.

@lonelyplanetmum I'd be so tempted to pointedly mention how lucky we are that we have so many experts with great educations every time they mention cancer treatments/NHS/science - anything other than politics actually. I find it hard to decipher when leavers seem to be so proud of the country but don't equate it to hard work and expertise.

Thanks lonelytired that's true. I've found with FIL ( and leavers on here) that it's much more effective to talk of specialists with years of experience in the economy. Or trade industry specialists with years of experience. Somehow that is more respected than the term experts.