Westminstenders: Neglectful Drunkeness!

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The HoC has spend the past 3 years in a state of Neglectful Drunkeness.

As it stands less then two weeks from Brexit Day, there is no deal we were promised. The Conservative and Labour Parties are more divided than ever.

The government is in disarray as 8 Cabinet ministers plus the chief whip voted against the Prime Minister including the Brexit Secretary who had minutes earlier argued for an extension only to vote against it. He is now on the brink of resignation.

The DUP look like they may be about to capitulate and vote for a deal. But it may not be enough even then.

This is what the cliff edge looks like.

Who wants to take a closer look?

{It has meant they have not been able to share the government’s latest thinking with their member companies in sufficient time, they said, stressing that industry is now not ready for a no-deal Brexit on March 29.}
Not suggesting they are wrong but handily getting their excuses in early for the mess.

BCF I'm going to raise my mentioning last night during dinner time that it could be worse with the prospect of Johnson as PM and Gove as defence sec, which you lamented as not being fair when people might be eating, to bring you....

... Esther McVey and Phillip Davies first interview together as a couple for Conservative Home over your breakfast.

www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2019/03/interview-davies-mcvey-they-back-mays-deal-i-dont-try-to-persuade-esther-that-she-shouldnt-do-something-and-she-doesnt-persuade-me-that-i-should-do-something.html
Davies & McVey. They back May’s deal. “I don’t try to persuade Esther that she shouldn’t do something, and she doesn’t persuade me that I should do something.”

Alright?

Andrew Hawkins @ andrew_comres
Who has been/wd be good at negotiating #Brexit? @ComRes for @Telegraph
T May 29%
BoJo 25%
Mogg 21%
Corbyn 18%
Gove 17%
The Saj 17%
Hunt 16%
Rudd 15%
Raab 12%
Private Pike 6%

So an expression that no one thinks anyone in the Conservatives could have done better than May. Plus the wonderful news that 'The Saj^ really seems to have stuck.

Glorious.

I think it is much more likely that the Speaker, through application of his interpretation of the Commons rules is attempting to prevent a meaningful Brexit from happening.

The only way for a meaningful Brexit to happen is via the negotiated WA. Parliament has already had 2 opportunities to vote on this. It was defeated by a large majority in each instance. I fail to see how Bercow can be blamed for this. He’s the Speaker, not the Tory chief whip.

Bercow is making a very convenient scapegoat it seems.

I think the answer lies in education: a compulsory basic course in political philosophy and the workings of our institutions for all 16 year olds.

I was thinking exactly this last night. Basic understanding of how laws are made and how our democracy works should be considered as important and basic English and maths skills.

David Henig @davidheniguk
In which we find out about the progress of negotiating UK replacement trade agreements from foreign media. Not surprising that other countries will be wary of UK demands on rules of origin (to include EU), and this will be read with interest by others.

www.iol.co.za/business-report/economy/sacu-mozambique-fail-to-reach-agreement-to-cushion-brexit-impact-19955104

CAPE TOWN – Trade representatives of the Southern African Customs Union (Sacu), Mozambique and UK failed to reach an agreement on Friday on an Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA), which would have been a first step to prevent trade disruptions between the regions after Brexit.

Trade and Industry Minister Rob Davies said on Monday that the differences were “narrowed” in relation to timeframes for the continued recognition of sanitary and phytosanitary import requirements, with both parties acknowledging that market access for agricultural access is critical for Sacu and Mozambique.

Another issue still not resolved involved the terms of “cumulation,” which relates to certificates of origin required by exporters to both regions. The rules of origin exist to ensure the benefit of preferential access in terms of a free trade agreement, goes to the countries that are party to the agreement.

“The EPA does not provide for cumulation on the basis being advanced by the UK, namely full cumulation with EU material, especially when the.EU material is subjected to a higher duty when exported to Sacu and Mozambique, than when the material is exported from the UK. Sacu and Mozambique are unable to give any better treatment to the UK than the EU.”

And

He said if the UK somehow reaches a withdrawal agreement with the EU on the terms of Brexit, (its Parliament has already voted against it twice), all trade relations with the EU would remain in place until 2020, or until a bilateral agreement between Sacu and the UK is reached.

If Brexit is extended for another three months from March 29, “it gives us time to negotiate the EPA roll-over and for it to go through our Parliament, so if the UK leaves the EU without an agreement, we will have a bilateral agreement in place.”

In other words a roll over in the event of no deal, not possible at this time...

My impression is that Bercow wants to preserve Parliamentary Sovereignty. Remind me, isn't that what Leave voted for? Or is it only Sovereignty by referenda?

Lewis Goodall @lewis_goodall
These front pages are truly hilarious. They seem to rest on the fanciful idea that May’s Brexit deal was sailing through before Bercow got involved. After all, it had only suffered the biggest and fourth biggest defeats in parliamentary history. Utterly bizarre.

Bless Berkow I just want to.............shake his hand.

Jon Worths flow chart put as GE at 40%. So extension based on her calling a GE? Because she cant call one before extension agreed because of purdah and shutting down would make us no deal, right? Or have a got that confused?

GE is also the highest likely by a long margin. 25% for peoples vote and only 15% for a No Deal. This is after Bercow and yet people are saying no deal is more likely? Just want to understand things in my head as he seems to have a totally different outcome to what is on this thread?

Having lunch out today if I can feel the peddle and I'm going to have a juicy steak which reminds me of..............

themost I'm betting 99.9% that HoC has no clue what to do. And believe me that's generous odds!

The government was not only defeated by a large majority in each instance but was rumoured to be pulling the vote anyway.

Only the very gullible could blame Bercow for suggesting the rules require something different to be considered.

It's beyond irony that on numerous occasions both May and Davis said that the EU needed to come up with something creative. Like in her fabulous Florence speech she said EU leaders to be more “imaginative and creative”.

The govt have not tried anything new and been defeated twice -and all the speaker did was highlight the rule that said something different should be tried.

Having thought about this on the school run I think they should amend Erskine May. Why not. Give the gov enough rope - have MVIII - MIV all with the same result. St least then they own it.

TM will attempt to present WA on the 25th. I see it in my crystal ball........

They should leave Erskine May well alone. I thank goodness its still applicable.

If it wasn't for the very strong likelihood that people would die, it would be good to give the UK a taste of 3 months 'crash out no deal' with extra hostility (refusal to cooperate by the EU) just to give the Brexiteers and leavers a taste of what they have done.
The 'comments' sections on the various articles in everything from the Fail to Guardian still have the brainless crap spouted.
The Guardian reporting about Universities losing the conference appointments which would normally host European and international groups, with visas for delegates not guaranteed.
University students and hosting international conferences are a big earner both directly and by facilitating cooperation. i think the Erasmus program is to continue, but with the possibility of problems with visas the UK will lose out.

it would be good to give the UK a taste of 3 months 'crash out no deal' with extra hostility (refusal to cooperate by the EU) just to give the Brexiteers and leavers a taste of what they have done.

I would agree except that this would be grist to the Leavers' mill: Look what the nasty EU has done to us. Had an argument with DH where he said 'Look what they did to Greece'. To which I replied 'We did to Greece, we are members'. This is someone who says he voted Remain BTW.

Every uni dgd is thinking of applying to next year where a year abroad is included are still running. They all have sister unis abroad and I cannot see that being affected.

University students and hosting international conferences are a big earner both directly and by facilitating cooperation.

This is where the same Leavers who usually say stuff like “It’s more important than jobs and money, Real People™️ have chosen Brexit for lofty principles, you Remainers have no soul!” abruptly switch to “How dare you discuss esoteric luxuries like universities and conferences, when Real People ™️ have chosen Brexit for jobs and money, you Remainers have no soul!”

Raab 12%
Private Pike 6%

Raab only twice as much less stupid than Private Pike

Or half as stupid. Don't know why I didn't say that in the first place.

What percentage of leave voters are in full time employment currently (Inc self employed) or are in education and intend to join the workforce.

I love to know the figure and compare it with Remainers.

Those leaving the work force, already retired or out of work in some other way don't have as much need for jobs. So of course they'll say, that putting the ecomony first isn't a priority... It's not theirs.