Westminstenders: Neglectful Drunkeness!

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The HoC has spend the past 3 years in a state of Neglectful Drunkeness.

As it stands less then two weeks from Brexit Day, there is no deal we were promised. The Conservative and Labour Parties are more divided than ever.

The government is in disarray as 8 Cabinet ministers plus the chief whip voted against the Prime Minister including the Brexit Secretary who had minutes earlier argued for an extension only to vote against it. He is now on the brink of resignation.

The DUP look like they may be about to capitulate and vote for a deal. But it may not be enough even then.

This is what the cliff edge looks like.

Who wants to take a closer look?

Sorry for posting all at once at 3:30am - not able to catch up at peak times in RL!

This shows the direction we'll be heading in I suspect Bannon says TM is not sophisticated (Politico).

Trump sat there and said 'Listen, No. 1: Overshoot the target on your deal because it will come apart. No. 2: Get on with it — you ought to be on terms agreed within six months. And No. 3: Use every arrow in your quiver even if you have to do litigation later.'"

"She laughed it off," Bannon said. "To be brutally frank about it she's not terribly sophisticated. I don't think she understood the complexities she was going into."

(Also to be read as USA have no ideas of the complexities of GFA or any other agreement in Brexit process and TM has thus shown herself to be unfailingly polite to Trump ).

"I think Boris Johnson would make a good prime minister. I think Boris Johnson is a guy with big ideas. I think he's the new recreated Boris Johnson who's lost 30 pounds — he's got a new haircut, he's a role model — the way he's lost so much weight ... very inspiring."

My cat threw up this morning first thing. It was either:

• A furball
• A deliberate attempt to disrupt my enjoyment of my morning cup of tea
• A delayed reaction to Bercow’s judgement yesterday

Given her developing political astuteness, I favour the last explanation.
I have nothing sensible or insightful to say atm.

I've been awakes ages too Born. Your cat's vomiting is always very apposite. As I've said before cats know stuff.

One of mine seems to have a eye problem brewing or perhaps he's crying. (I PM'd you by the way.)

I think the way the tabloids (and my FIL) have commented on Bercow shows their lack of understanding: it's easy for the govt to get a MVIII if they had a majority which they clearly still don't.

1. Bercow didn't block anything he gave guidance as to the process for change bring needed to get a motion through.

1. Parliament have already blocked the WA twice by a huge margin. So that's the obstacle not Bercow.How can you derail something that's not off the starting block?

1. If TMs phone calls over the weekend had secured a majority for MVIII then there'd also be a majority for tweaking Erskine May to pass it. They could always tweak it back afterwards.

I slept well last night

Will HoC take Berkows advice?

Will TM surface today?

Will I ever be the same again?

Arleeene, Arleeeeeene, don't take your love to town, Arleeeene, Arleeeene, don't take your love to town.......

@Frogfish , that's been on my mind too. Or the Royal baby which would give the gammony types a real dilemma- Great? Royal baby. Or Oh no, foreign woman of colour steals our poppet.
I saw a Leave means Leave vid last night with gammon in chief, Faridge. It was horrible . Really "doubling down" on your worst expectations. "Delay means Betray" apparently.

Joking apart I think we are now at a precipice and unless something meaningful happens this country is on the verge of complete ruin.
I cannot make my mind up if Berkows intervention is good or bad or middling. It certainly has stirred things up. I believe he has tried to break an impasse really and give HoC advice on how to get out of it. Let's hope they listen and take that advice.

Sorry to go on about this Leave means Leave vid but it was blatant- some rambling about how the Westminster elite was trying to stop Brexit over footage of Soubry, Lammy and Bercow. Those three were the first three they picked on to show. Woman, black man, The Speaker.
Then the "special place in Hell " bit but missing out the bit on the end where he says "without a sketch of a plan". It was like bloody "Two Minutes Hate".

Norman Smith on R4 this morning saying it’s likely that May will bring MV3 back next week, with enough tweaks to satisfy Bercow.

My cat has just eaten grass so I’m expecting a full on boak shortly

Why am I not surprised that leavers are taking affront to the democratic process of our own country and Bercrow?

It's part of the betrayal/victimhood/infiltration by impurity narrative. Just see above.

No actual denial that Bercow's decision actually increases the chances of No Deal exit on the 29th, i.e. the very thing that most vocal Leavers say they want ("Delay means Betray" "No Deal No Problem" etc). In fact, because up to now despite last week's "waaaaaahhhh we don't wanna" to everything votes, nothing material has changed, we are still on the default path to No Deal on schedule and therefore delaying MV3 is even more scary.

BUT because Bercow is not pure of Brexitannian soul, and his decision also increases the stakes in the sinful unpatriotic direction of No Brexit, that's in itself means his decision must be wrong.

An impartial observer will have noted that the posters on this thread, who have demonstrated time and again how knowledgable they are about process and sequence and democracy, are not joyfully celebrating Bercow's decision in terms of Remaining but in terms of Parliamentary Sovereignty.

Seductive and easy as this betrayal narrative is, makes me wonder how many outraged Leavers will acknowledge that TM was rumoured to be planning on pulling her MV3 vote this week because she wasn't certain of winning - part of the projected loss being the most Brexitatious of Brexiteering MPs who consider the Deal "almost Remain" and "betrayal" and so on.And don't forget that TM pulled this vote previously, because she didn't dare to face defeat, making her to blame for the fact that we're at the 11th hour. And that her strategy was to run down the clock and if she had lost MV3, she would have brought back MV4 next week at the 11:59th hour.

Now, suddenly, the betrayal narrative requires that we frame MV3 as a surefire winner (see all the Brexiteer MPs wailing that their chance to vote for glorious Freeeeedom has been cruelly snatched away by the bullying Remoaner Speaker).

belliniit is upsetting to see this sort of thing and realise that there is a minority, yes, a minority of awful people out there.
My personal advice is don't watch it or read it because it gets in your soul and damages you. I avoid all that hatred and awfulness lest it darkens my love of humanity. But be cheerful they are a minority in this world, really they are.

bellinisurge with everything going on in the world you have to marvel at the idiocy of those wilfully stirring up hate. I'd not be surprised if we see another Jo Cox (RIP) before this is done .

Oh and whoever has to figure out these reports sterling and cost of living needs a medal - won't be looking like that if we No Deal. How are the markets today btw? Might be interesting to see if they see yesterday as a positive (soft brexit/no brexit) or negative way (more likely to no deal). Not that they have any more of a clue than us!

elements I was pleased about Berkow yesterday because there is a glimmer of hope for a revoke or PV. It is true there is an impasse in HoC and Berkows intervention could show HoC the way out. TM just tweaking the WA will NOT be enough to satisfy Berkow. He stated the change must be made by EU and UK a substantial change I.e probably the political agreement of WA, dropping red lines etc. A deal with DUP or a new legal statement by attorney General will not be enough. Berkow has pointed the way for consensus to be reached in HoC. I'm just not sure anyone us listening at the moment.

Though 1604 was a long long time ago I believe that Erskine May should not be altered because it is needed more than ever now. ( anything so we get rid of TMs turd of a deal)

morning all. Just another day in dystopia.

@LonelyTiredandLow and @Sostenueto . Thank you.
What makes me sick is I saw this on the FB thread of someone I thought was the acceptable face of Leave - the mum of one DD's friends.
It smacks of desperation.

Morning badkitten

Good breakfast choice Sos!

'Forgive them for they know not what they do' is a great saying to help you combat hate bellini

Bellini. Do you feel brave enough to call her out on it? People share things without employing a single critical thought.

I'm actually chomping through large slice of coffee cake with a latte so I will definitely be hyped up today kitten

Ignore hate rhetoric! Don't respond that's what they want. Don't give them that.

Alex Wickham@alexwickham
Before Bercow’s intervention Dexeu minister Chris Heaton-Harris messaged Tory MPs telling them it was “game over” for Brexit. What does he think now?

I can't call her out. Sadly, I think there's a lot of it around where I live. The disgusting thing was that she was also sharing links about what a wonderful inspirational leader Jacinda Arden is. And when this person "did" (her term not mine) Auschwitz , how moving and sad it was. She just can't see the link between Leave means Leave shit and white supremacy stuff.

@bellinisurge it's hard when connected to kids. I was just thinking last night dd can't stay over at leaver friends as she keeps asking because I KNOW she would mention Brexit (she's becoming rather political and knows friend voted leave). I can see her saying to their kids something along the lines of "why did your parents vote to make themselves and our family poorer?" which would cause all sorts of issues as their kids don't have the foggiest what is going on surprisingly.

I've actively avoided other friends who are on my fb who post leave rubbish. It sounds bad but honestly my estimation of them and their ideals/morals/values plummeted when they told me why they voted (one was saying "I've been poor before and I am fine with being poor again" for e.g) - very selfish and not at all thinking of the very poorest or people who may not be as fortunate as themselves or their own kids and pinning all of their hopes on some future "change" while they still vote Tory .