Westminstenders: Neglectful Drunkeness!

[RedToothBrush]

The HoC has spend the past 3 years in a state of Neglectful Drunkeness.

As it stands less then two weeks from Brexit Day, there is no deal we were promised. The Conservative and Labour Parties are more divided than ever.

The government is in disarray as 8 Cabinet ministers plus the chief whip voted against the Prime Minister including the Brexit Secretary who had minutes earlier argued for an extension only to vote against it. He is now on the brink of resignation.

The DUP look like they may be about to capitulate and vote for a deal. But it may not be enough even then.

This is what the cliff edge looks like.

Who wants to take a closer look?

Anything the HoC debates, which is likely to require an extension, needs to be decided this Wednesday at the latest,
in time for the EU summit

Kate Hoey thinks we are being humiliated by the EU

I think we do a ruddy good job at humiliating ourselves.

That nothing can bind Parliament is true.That it is technically possible for Parliament to disregard the direct mandate of the referendum is also true. That it would be legitimate for Parliament to this is IMO, absurd, that mandate exists, however inconvenient Brexit opponents may find it. Think about a referendum held where you agree with the outcome rather than one where you oppose it, would you be happy to see that overturned?

Someone please make Kate Hoey go away.

I think it shows what unpredictable times we are living in- is that I think this is the first time in three years there's been an event that Red hasn't predicted in the OP.

1. I thought Bercow would effectively rule in May's favour on this (to prevent a constitutional crisis) if he did rule on this
2. I'm surprised that Bercow didn't make this ruling last Thursday since we the Bryant amendment was tabled and was withdrawn and not voted on. I thought Bercow wasn't going to talk about it because of the amendment.

I do wonder why Bryant withdraw it and why.

I guess this is the natural consequence of the Bryant amendment being withdrawn. You could argue if Bryant had been tabled and had lost whether May could have argued that Parliament had voted to allow MVIII.

So it was on my radar, but I certainly didn't see this outcome!

I'm not sure on the wisdom of this, as Parliament is completely hamstrung and has very few options left. Though perhaps that's what they needed as it forces a decision one way or another I guess.

We might not like the outcome. A significant percentage of the population isn't going to.

Another MP has asked "what for..?"

Again: "We'll have a debate next week"

Soooooo....what the fuck are we going to say to the EUCO?

iirc, Kwarteng is / was Rudd's bf but also a Brexiter, so he could be posing questions on behalf of anyone !

Just stuck BBC parliament on.

Wow at the empty government bench and the rammed opposition ones (with most of them standing to try and ask a question)

LouiseCollins MPs constitutionally are supposed to us their own judgement, not to be delegates of either their party or their constituents.
Or of their religious book.

If Remain had won by 65%, as in the 1975 ref, the HoC could still have chosen to invoke A50

The only sanction we have against MPs who we think vote wrongly is to vote them out next GE:

“Spirit of optimism”. And there it is, the plan - unicorns.

louise I see that Brexit supporters are going to be unhappy with the current potential delay but they should be most cross with those MP's who supported Brexit and then voted against the WA repeatedly. If the ERG had supported its own government Brexit would be assured by now.

Why are we waiting until next week for the debate on the extension? Surely we could have one on Wednesday in the time we were going to use for the MVIII or is there a good reason for the delay?

Kwarteng refusing to acknowledge No Deal is still the default position. Do they really not understand of is it just game playing?

A government can completely ignore a referendum, just as it can completely ignore its manifesto, the mandate on which it was elected

either because circumstances change to make the manifesto impractical / impossible,
or because they realise they promised the impossible,
or just because they want to.

in the case of the referendum, we have reason #2

Do we have any idea what the extension is for?

If my dc have to hand in homework late they need a sensible reason. I stayed up late playing ps4 isn't good enough.

Someone pointing out the obvs - that the letter to the EUCO will surely need to state the length and purpose of the extension before Parlt debate.

Kwarteng: Won't speculate on the content of the letter, it will be revealed at some point this week

Extension debate next week? As in, next week which has Brexit day at the end of it? This is crazy.

Do they really not understand of is it just game playing?

Considering they apparently failed to anticipate a rule that has existed for over 400years I am coming to suspect the former.

Do we have any idea what the extension is for?

Kwarteng is clearly under instruction not to reveal a reason.

Or we are going to ask with no reason in full knowledge that the EI required us to have one? In this way we will no deal and the EI can be blamed?

Apparently Leadsom has been 'muttering in the corridors' about suspending the Standing Orders to bring the WA back for MV3

• EU not EI

Ah, now he admitting we could leave with no deal but of course it’s all the fault of the EU.

Obvs.

MPs are our representatives. Their mandate comes from the electorate in their constituency. The mandate for leave comes from a national referendum held UK wide. Had MPs not voted by a large majority to hold a refendum I would agree with your arguement, as they did vote for it, I cannnot.

May got the best WA possible with the red lines she chose / was forced by the ERG to choose.

Her party insisted on the red lines, but demanded cake
What they got was this WA

If they - and their bunged up DUP allies - had voted for the WA, then we wouldn't be in this chaos

There are not enough ERG members to vote in favour of Brexit to change the outcome. In some cases, there conduct has been poor, but they cannot change the outcome