Can someone please explain to me what just happened with the vote??

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I am beyond relieved that it means No Deal?

But can anyone explain in very simple language what the vote was about??

(the newspapers can't seem to explain it clearly enough for my teeny mind...)

"We leave with no deal, regardless, as you cannot negotiate a trade deal while still a member state of the EU."

That is why a period of transition is needed.

The EU needs to be certain the UK really does leave. I suspect they (still) believe that leaving is such an act of monumental stupidity that the UK won't go through with it.

This is why, I would imagine, that they pressed the UK to submit Article 50 before they would take us seriously.

Events this week would tend to support this. MPs can neither support the deal on offer or no deal because the status quo is the best situation.

If we traded on wto , we would literally be the only country in the whole world only trading on wto, every single other country has supplementary trade deals.

Anyways it's not happening so it's moot. And the cabinet have confirmed this morning we will not leave the eu on the 29th March.

Can't believe some posters upthread have claimed that the British are over-educated.

That has to be one of the most incredible and depressing things I have ever read. I'm pretty speechless.

So people are better off living in ignorance, at the mercy of manipulation of other more well-educated and knowledgeable people? Unable to think critically about what the hell is going on in the world?

Really?

Very illustrative of the anti-intellectual climate in the UK.

Also explains how people representing the EU run rings around the British, who seem to put their stock in wishful thinking and hope people will treat them as they did in the days of the Empire.

"Can't believe some posters upthread have claimed that the British are over-educated."

We don't need experts, remember.

"Very illustrative of the anti-intellectual climate in the UK."

Yep.

Bluntness what will be happening today? Or over the next few days?

I’ve given up on news outlets for my updates, you’re the only one making sense.

She's having a third go with the wa. I think this one will get through. Damn

Today at 5 pm they will vote on extensions, either they prefer to agree a deal and go for a short extension, or a longer one, ie one or two years, to allow for a leadership contest, new deal, general election or second referendum,.

So basically no deal on thr 29th is out (except legally but that's just timing) but parliament needs to agree what we do next. Not leaving on the 29th with no deal is only part of the answer, they need to know what they want instead,

The Eu will definitely grant a short extension, but it seems a longer one is now less certain as the 27 are not in agreement.

I'm not sure her deal can get through next week, because even if much of the erp support, if the dup still say no, then the deal will die.

@quizqueen The EU has a eastern border too with non EU countries like Albania and Macedonia-there is no talk of an Albanian backstop, trade flows through the border with technology checks and some border checks, as it should be. The EU also had given membership status to some French dependencies and many of those border African countries which are unlikely to have the same trading standards as the EU, yet trade flows through those borders too. However, it seems the EU just has a problem with the N Ireland/Irish border

It's us that have a problem with the Irish border. We put it there to start with, we've agreed that there should not be a hard border and now it's us that's trying to change the status quo. Both Ireland (via the EU) and the UK are committed to there not being a hard border, we just have to find a way to make our plans to leave the EU respect that commitment.

You mention 'many' French dependencies with EU status and which 'border African countries' but I don't think France has a single overseas territory which borders an African country. I'm not well-traveled though so maybe you could enlighten me?

Thank you.

It feels like it will never end!

It is absolutely us that has a problem with the Ireland/UK border. It would be a piece of piss to leave if it wasn't for the GFA. That annoying little thing that has kept peace in NI for the last 20 years and which is predicated on us both being in the EU. Y'know, that thing which appears to be a tremendous surprise to every Leave voter in Great Britain. Although not in NI which is why, contrary to the unionist majority demographic, Remain won in NI.

QuizQueen

The EU also had given membership status to some French dependencies and many of those border African countries which are unlikely to have the same trading standards as the EU, yet trade flows through those borders too.

The EU does not "give" membership status to French dependencies etc. Either an area is part of an EU country, or it isn't.

So the French islands of Martinique and Guadeloupe are part of France. Just like the Falklands Islands are part of the UK.

However, these remote islands, and they are all islands, are treated differently to their mainland HQ. So Guadeloupe is not in Schengen though France is. They are not in the Single Market.

I suspect you are more concerned about Algeria, Tunisia and Morocco, which were French colonies. You might be pleased to learn that these countries got their independence more than 50 years ago

There's French Guiana in South America of course. That borders non-EU countries. I'm not aware of an international agreement which requires them to keep their borders open with their neighbours though.

She's having a third go with the wa. I think this one will get through

"You will eat your greens! You'll get them for tea and breakfast tomorrow until you've eaten them all!"

Am I right to say that no deal can still happen if parliament fail to agree anything else? So it is still on the table really, it's just that parliament have stated that it is not a preferred option. Without saying what they do prefer.

Also I'm pretty sure that Revoke, although unilateral, has to be in good faith, and is therefore not intended to be used as a way of pressing a pause button. I think there is a possibility of Revoke if it is to reset and start again (from UK side at least), but this may not be lawful. For it to be "in good faith" it would have to be backed up with a referendum/general election result.

*No deal is not off the table until it is passed into to legislation. Until this happens it is the default option.

Tonight MPs voted against it. Teresa May has commuted to pass it into legislation. As she is prime minister she cannot renage on this without being in contempt of parliament,she has confirmed she will do it. There is no question.

Until she does it, it's the default option. But it's semantics. It will be passed into legislation in the coming days. So to all extents and purposes it's off the table. However until she does, technically it's not off the table.

The vote was only tonight, she cannot get it into legislation a couple of hours later.she needs a few days.*

Page 4. Commuted = committed.

Until she does it, it's the default option. But it's semantics. It will be passed into legislation in the coming days. So to all extents and purposes it's off the table. However until she does, technically it's not off the table

It’s not really semantics. This must remain advisory until it is clear if a delay is going to happen. You can only legislate for no deal if it comes with the assurance of immediate withdrawn of article 50 or approval of EU to let us delay and what the conditions attached would be to prevent a future no deal situation.

I'm confused why people's vote don't want MPs to vote for another referendum.

Motion for an extension to allow for a second referendum has just been defeated.

Thanks

Not reported by BBC yet

Still no outcome on bbc news. Am missing something

Brexit delay vote won

Ok, so no second referendum, but they want to delay. I thought there were 3 motions today?
What is delaying going to do?

Yes they've not reported on the referendum one afaik. I'm sick of being confused.
Delaying I think will get the WA accepted which is a shame.

Thank You for asking the question OP. I'm so confused. And I say that as a news junkie.

I came home from an event last night, looked at twitter, tried to make sense of the double negatives and nearly gave up.

All I can gather is that the extreme Brexiteers have voted for an option that could lead to staying in and some arch remainers have supported the withdrawal agreement.

It would be easier to herd cats.