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Can someone please explain to me what just happened with the vote??

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FFSFFSFFS · 13/03/2019 19:23

I am beyond relieved that it means No Deal?

But can anyone explain in very simple language what the vote was about??

(the newspapers can't seem to explain it clearly enough for my teeny mind...)

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Ylvamoon · 13/03/2019 23:00

As I gather from EU source, EU only want a short extension (because of elections) with a good reason why it should be given - I think it's time for UK politics to sit down and stop throwing toys everywhere!
The deal that is currently off the table, will always be the foundation for any future deal... so not sure what anyone cold achieve by an extension. (Don't forget this deal is the framework for all countries wishing to leave the EU.)
This is specially for the British Public & Media: the EU does not need the UK as a full member state. In fact the EU is rolling with laughter at the UK. Time to face reality and curb the arrogance.
The EU would allow for article 50 to be revoked, but I don't think for a moment that there isn't a price attached.

UnspiritualHome · 13/03/2019 23:01

What can we do to prompt revoke??

Turning up for this might help.

Chloemol · 13/03/2019 23:02

A non binding vote was taken and passed that we can’t leave 29th March with no deal. Next stage is tomorrow and asking to extend art 50. However the extension has to be agreed by all. 27 if it’s not we are out on 29th March. So that means either they go back to the deal and agree it or we leave with no deal, regardless of the vote today as it’s non binding. I don’t know where the people who say revoke get the idea from. We are out

SleightOfMind · 13/03/2019 23:03

Some rather heroic lawyers (Iknow!) have managed to pin down the correct process for us to unilaterally revoke A50.
For political reasons, it would be preferable to put this to a vote - either in the house or Ref2 - but the UK can revoke A50 whenever we want with no recourse to outside agency.

time4chocolate · 13/03/2019 23:05

The EU would allow for article 50 to be revoked, but I don't think for a moment that there isn't a price attached

There will be a price attached to an extension as well - it's a win win for the EU coffers.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 13/03/2019 23:05

Chloe it’s that revoke is our only unilateral power.
I appreciate Parliament is not proposing it though.

AnyWalls · 13/03/2019 23:09

Turn on Sky News now

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 23:09

Chocolatedeficitdisorder

I don't dispute the study, but the older generation lived in different times where going to university etc. was not the path and only availabe to the well off, so less people went to university. Going the traditional educational route of leaving school going to univeresity doesn't mean your more intelligent.

Let me quote this back to you:

Given the sad reality behind their figures – that more than half of UK graduates are currently working in jobs that do not require a degree, while an astonishing three-quarters of UK university leavers will never repay their student loans in full – one could equally argue that Brexiteers were not under-educated, but rather that Remainers were over-educated and miseducated, clustered heavily amongst ‘beneficiaries’ of grade inflation, and the holders of degrees that they now cannot use (or at least not fully).

Chloemol · 13/03/2019 23:09

Amore the only way to stop no deal is revoke and cancel Brexit, never going to happen as it would be political suidcide for all parties or agree a deal. The no deal vote was non binding, therefore we can still leave no deal. May has now announced a third attempt next week to vote on her deal. I see no reason for the eu to agree to an extension

LeadMeToTheChocolate · 13/03/2019 23:13

@UnspiritualHome I will be there, but not everyone can be??

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 13/03/2019 23:13

The revoke position (ECJ decision)

“Article 50 TEU must be interpreted as meaning that, where a Member State has notified the European Council, in accordance with that article, of its intention to withdraw from the European Union, that article allows that Member State — for as long as a withdrawal agreement concluded between that Member State and the European Union has not entered into force or, if no such agreement has been concluded, for as long as the two-year period laid down in Article 50(3) TEU, possibly extended in accordance with that paragraph, has not expired — to revoke that notification unilaterally, in an unequivocal and unconditional manner, by a notice addressed to the European Council in writing, after the Member State concerned has taken the revocation decision in accordance with its constitutional requirements. The purpose of that revocation is to confirm the EU membership of the Member State concerned under terms that are unchanged as regards its status as a Member State, and that revocation brings the withdrawal procedure to an end.“

We could just send a letter....

cyclingmad · 13/03/2019 23:15

An extensions waste more time with no net benefit other than to the EU who will fine us £1billion per month? I think they said. What a colossal waste of money, money that should be spent on key issues here at home.

Absolutely disgusting the way parliament has been handling this - all three parties are going to be decimated in then next general election for they have shown at every turn the contemtpt they have for democracry and what people voted for. We voted to leave its enshrined in law so get on with it, stop trying to overturn it and keep us in the EU.

LeadMeToTheChocolate · 13/03/2019 23:16

Can we forge Mrs May/Queenies signature and send the EU a revoke letter ourselves??

Just a thought.

Sunbeam18 · 13/03/2019 23:17

Only a matter of time before someone said 'get on with it'... Confused

Amortentia · 13/03/2019 23:19

No deal is absolutely NOT off the table. We would have to revoke and stay in. We have no deal in place so no matter what, if we continue down this path towards the deadline then a no deal is the only option.

A delay in leaving will only be possible if a very good reason can be supplied such as a promise to hold another referendum, presumably to get a majority in favour with staying in.

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 13/03/2019 23:20

:) LeadMeToTheChocolate

time4chocolate · 13/03/2019 23:22

Only a matter of time before someone said 'get on with it'... confused

Not sure what the Confused is for. There are plenty of people (not just Leavers) who think they should just get on with it. Unless you think it's a good idea to carry on like this indefinitely?

Gwenhwyfar · 13/03/2019 23:26

"Going the traditional educational route of leaving school going to univeresity doesn't mean your more intelligent."

No, because it makes you more educated.

"one could equally argue that Brexiteers were not under-educated, but rather that Remainers were over-educated"

You can be under-employed, but I don't think you can be over-educated.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/03/2019 23:26

Correction: 'No, BUT it makes you more educated.

LeadMeToTheChocolate · 13/03/2019 23:34

cyclingmad... the EU referendum was not enshrined in British law, it was advisory and won on false claims and LIES, I’m yet to even meet any Leavers that deny that!!!
Democracy allows people to change their minds and for choices to be reconsidered- particularly if new information comes to light such as how ‘winning’ campaigners have so blatantly broken rules on funding and the small issue of making up pure bullshit to secure a win that they then can’t even themselves see as workable and then all bloody refuse the job of leading the change they spearheaded so then bloody resign!

Arghhhh, make it stop!

TheShuttle · 13/03/2019 23:34

time4chocolate

The EU is not gaining anything out of this shit show. It has spent 2 and a half years dealing with clowns on a serious matter. I can imagine just how frustrating that must have been for them. That time has not been spent on productive matters.

What's more, EU countries have been investing big bucks planning for a possible no-deal scenario for some time now.

No reason why they shouldn't try to recuperate their losses. That's damage limitation not some kind of exploitation.

Amortentia · 13/03/2019 23:41

MEPs said today they do not want this to drag on, there are EU elections coming up and they do not want to continue discussing Brexit. As far as the EU is concerned this is our car crash to deal with and they are running out of patience with us.