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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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phpolly · 14/03/2019 12:15

BigChoc I know you are right about Corbyn but I've kept hoping against hope. Thoroughly disgusted with him at this point.

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:17

I think opposition amendment gets put forward as default but could be wrong. Sorry just nipped out for DS so a little behind.

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SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:21

Bercow is upsetting them on amendment selection

bellinisurge · 14/03/2019 12:22

There's going to be a vote on whether we have a PV

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:22

How do Sparkly?

I wish I was WFH so I could have it on in the background...

Whisky2014 · 14/03/2019 12:22

If the eu says there can be no amendments...What are these amendments for?!

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:23

How so (not How do!£

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:23

They are displeased with how amendments are selected. Something about a PV. Small one keeps making noise and I missed bits.

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:26

@InterchangeableEmma

Is that why financial years run to the end of March?

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:26

Amendment B hasn't been chosen yet more have signed it than others that have been chosen

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 12:27

whisky the EU says there can be no more negotiations
Only the batshit Chope amendment is about more negotiations

The other amendments are mostly for / against a PV or extension, which the EU would probably accept

I listed them all upthread

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 12:27

UK House of Commons
‏Verified account @HouseofCommons
41s41 seconds ago

The Speaker has provisionally selected the following amendments to the motion on extending the #Article50 period:

(h) - @sarahwollaston
(i) - @hilarybennmp
(e) - @jeremycorbyn
(j) - @RhonddaBryant

A manuscript amendment from @LucyMPowell to amendment (i) has also been selected

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DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 12:28

Is that why financial years run to the end of March?

There's something about the Julian to Gregorian calendar too ....

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 14/03/2019 12:29

Small one keeps making noise and I missed bits

I thought you meant Bercow when you said this

Threw me fir a minute

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:30

How does the Speaker choose which amendments to table?

I'm surprised the No PV amendment isn't being tabled....

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 12:31

Interesting. J is to rule out mv3 from what I've read. Does that debate get Bercow out of a tight spot?

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:32

Trying to locate the list of amendments

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 12:33

So he won't let the Revoke support be tested ? Confused

Until he does, Tory Remainers will vote against the WA
If it gets v little support, they would probably swap to supporting it and go a long way to breaking the deadlock

If it actually passes, then if it has a good majority, May might well Revoke in the final hours

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:34

Yes, J means that Bercow won't have to make the decision (and/or does but can be guided by the HoC voting on this amendment).

A good move in the circumstances...

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 14/03/2019 12:34

From @bethrigby

Amendments:
H: PM to request Extension A50 & hold sec ref.
I: (Benn) Extend A50 to find a way forward with maj support, taking control of parliamentary time on 20th March
E: Labour Extend A50 to avoid leaving without deal
J: Bryant Prevent MV3
💥 B: Rule out ref NOT SELECTED 💥

EweSurname · 14/03/2019 12:34

Yes I’m wondering that too wheresmymojo

LouiseCollins28 · 14/03/2019 12:34

So all the selected amendments are from Remainers then. Good job we have the guaranteed neutrality from the Speaker, isn't it. FFS!

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 12:37

So all the selected amendments are from Remainers then. Good job we have the guaranteed neutrality from the Speaker, isn't it. FFS!

Brexiteers have had it their way for two years - a couple of hours the other way can't do any harm ... after all as Liz Truss highlighted people have changed their minds (although she probably wishes she hadn't)

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:38

Now I know what B is I can see why they are pissed off Grin

Wish they'd just:

A: WA as stands

B: Revoke

wheresmymojo · 14/03/2019 12:38

I'm not surprised it's caused a stir TBH. I would have expected B to be tabled.

I think there's a case for some reform around how the Speaker chooses amendments and the transparency of the process.