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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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Runningintothesunset · 14/03/2019 11:05

Do we know what amendments have been tabled for today yet?

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 11:05

{The least bad option would be a PV that delivered a clear vote for Remain - but that looks unlikely}
I would like to agree with you but still the massive problem that a PV would be tainted by lies.
The UK is not of the mindset that it really wants to commit to being a strong partner in the EU project and with the shit so well stirred now, the only sensible thing to do, for both the UK and perhaps more importantly the EU is leave. The UK needs to give itself a good talking to to decide where it is going.

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 11:07

2 soldiers to be prosecuted over Bloody Sunday.

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RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 11:07

Sorry one solider two counts of murder

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DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 11:08

Of course there is a slogan that "No Brexit is better than a Bad Brexit" ....

RedToothBrush · 14/03/2019 11:09

Hilary Benn @ Hilarybennmp
The amendment I have just tabled for today’s debate. It aims help Parliament find a way forward as the UK seeks an extension to Article 50.

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BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 11:09

and 14 unarmed demonstrators shot dead on bloody Sunday

DGRossetti · 14/03/2019 11:11

and 14 unarmed demonstrators shot dead on bloody Sunday

I should know, but what was the inquest verdict ?

lonelyplanetmum · 14/03/2019 11:12

The FIVE different parties bit in that Hilary Benn amendment is interesting .. it makes getting Caroline Lucas on board quite a priority!

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 14/03/2019 11:15

So the vote today is not for a long or short extension. It is just for an extension, but the gvmt have said that a short extension won't work so if it is agreed upon it will be a long one, and we will have MEP elections, yes?
Lots of people pointing out that under erskine may Bercow shouldn't allow a MV3.

prettybird · 14/03/2019 11:23

Sorry Camomilla Blush: the Indy supporting Scots got used to complaining about the bias of the MSM and began using the acronym back in 2014 Wink

We'd seen it all already Sad "Balance" according to the BBC = giving 3 pro-Union parties (Labour, Conservative, LibDem) each equal air time versus 1 pro-Indy party (the SNP) Confused (and very very occasionally the Scottish Green Party).

So we recognise the shenanigans in action. Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 11:23

iirc, the first one basically said being Irish & demonstrating was at your own risk, but our troops are lovely

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 11:24

Sorry, that was reply to DG

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 11:27

Amendments

Bercow will select from these for today:

A) Delay & PV
Plaid Cymru
Delay Brexit until 2021, then PV

B) Rule out PV
Signed by more than 100 MPs, Tories except for 2 Labour

C) Revoke !
Ken Clarke & 30 other MPS

D) PV LDems

E) Labour amendment
Tabled by Corbyn,
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

G) Chope amendment
Batshit & nasty Chope - won't be selected !
Brexit should be delayed for two months “for the specific purpose of replacing the UK negotiating team” 🤯

F) PV SNP/Plaid
Remain to be an option in the PV
Revoke to be possible in the interim !

H) PV Cross-party request
Tabled by Tigger Sarah Wollaston

I expect B) C) & H) - what do you think, @red ?
Not sure what E) brings from Corbyn - avoids actual choices - but may be selected as it has his name.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 11:35

EU on no-deal Brexit motion: 'like Titanic voting for iceberg to move'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/13/eu-extend-brexit-talks-complete-barnier-brussels-assurance

European commission makes clear no deal remains on table unless agreement is reached
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Brussels has said a vote by UK MPs to block a no-deal Brexit in any circumstances is a meaningless move,

with one senior EU negotiator < Sabine Weyand quoting Netherlands PM Mark Rutte > describing it as
“the Titanic voting for the iceberg to get out of the way”.

NoWordForFluffy · 14/03/2019 11:36

E is pointless. They never get anywhere talking about stuff in the House.

QueenMabby · 14/03/2019 11:39

Happy Birthday to Me,
Happy Birthday to Me,
I want a Revoke now....
Must call my MP!!

Sat with a coffee and a HUGE slice of banana loaf to catch up with the thread. Thanks all!

InterchangeableEmma · 14/03/2019 11:39

I've mentioned it before but Friday is the ides of march. Quite the date.

The Ides of March is a day on the Roman calendar that corresponds to 15 March. It was marked by several religious observances and was notable for the Romans as a deadline for settling debts. In 44 BC, it became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar which made the Ides of March a turning point in Roman history.

1tisILeClerc · 14/03/2019 11:39

{Labour amendment
Tabled by Corbyn,
demands the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.}

'You plonker Rodney Corbyn.

Frankiestein402 · 14/03/2019 11:50

PV should be between
'reset' - to pre-referendum status
'carry on quibbling'

Those are the only readily comprehensible options

phpolly · 14/03/2019 12:05

UGH Labour not supporting amendments tonight in favour of second referendum, and also may not support Benn/Cooper/Letwin amendment

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 12:09

Happy Birthday, QueenMabby 💐 🎂
Forget Brexshit for today & enjoy yourself !

BigChocFrenzy · 14/03/2019 12:12

phpolly People keep claiming Corbyn has finally accepted having a PV
No he hasn't

He's a lifelong Lexiter who's hardly disguised his spots
He will do all he can behind the scenes to get Brexit, because he can blame the Tories for all the resulting shit

Somerville · 14/03/2019 12:13

Just emailing my Labour MP (again). I thought the Speaker couldn't have been clearer last night, that those opposing the limited options tabled by the government needed to work together. I hold the Tories more to blame than Labour for this mess, but not if Labour won't stand up and be counted with 16 days left.

(I started a spearate thread aboutthe meagre one Bloody Sunday prosecution rather than spill my thoughts all over this one:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3532876-Bloody-Sunday-prosecution )

SparklySneakers · 14/03/2019 12:14

Amendments being chosen now