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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:34

Did Grieve vote to keep No Deal on the table then? That is disappointing.

No. He put his money where his mouth is and voted against no deal and against the party whip on both Spelman and main motion.

A proper rebel.

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PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:36

Leadsom, government is not going to revoke, as it is against the will of the people

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:36

Gove and Hammond conveniently abstained.

Gove Did NOT abstain.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 13/03/2019 20:37

Was that the biggest hint ever towards revoke by Bercow?

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:37

and some in the Beaconsfield Tory Party were already trying to deselect Grieve
This will add ammunition

LaurieMarlow · 13/03/2019 20:37

Rudd and Hammond abstained correct?

Will May fire them? LMFAO Hmm

NoWordForFluffy · 13/03/2019 20:38

Why don't they say the only ways to avoid no deal is the deal on the table or revoke? Actually put it to us that way.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:38

I wish Leadsom would stop this People Willy-wagging

cherin · 13/03/2019 20:38

Sorry, I stand corrected, he abstained only at the one of the extension...

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 20:38

I'm glad Hammond abstained - it hopefully means TM can't get rid of any of them...hopefully...

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:39

Alex Wickham @alexwickham
ERG MPs starting to indicate they will vote for the deal at MV3

It's either the WA, face a PV or potentially revoke on the table for hardliners if May absolutely sticks to guns about extensions.

WA starts to look attractive to them.

Cooper might have done May a MASSIVE favour.

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NoWordForFluffy · 13/03/2019 20:39

Are, not is. It's been a long evening!

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:39

Jess Phillips
@jessphillips
This afternoon Michael Gove told us what calamity No deal would be then he and the PM voted for it

NoWordForFluffy · 13/03/2019 20:40

But Bercow might not allow MV3?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:40

Rudd and Hammond abstained correct?

STEVEN Hammond not Spreadsheet Phil.

Yes I was confused too.

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:41

Sebastian Payne @SebastianePayne
Conclusion from tonight’s vote: Theresa May has a real chance of winning Meaningful Vote 3.0 before next Thursday.

It’s over to @Geoffrey_Cox to convince the DUP.

And that's why the EU are pushing the WA tonight.

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:42

Robert Pestonn@Peston*

The last roll of the dice for the PM’s Brexit deal.

She is saying in her motion for tomorrow that either MPs vote for her deal by next Weds
or the UK may stay in the EU for months - and possibly forever -
and UK will have to participate in elections to EU parliament.
There...

Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea
dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 20:42

I thought it was against the rules to keep on voting on the same unamended bill?

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 20:43

Ah, thought he was standing by his fellow remainers for a sec.
Anyone posted this yet Sturgeon on Indy ref? I wonder if she will argue Cox's Codpiece?

frumpety · 13/03/2019 20:43

So is the EU saying its either WA or revoke or no deal ?

LaurieMarlow · 13/03/2019 20:43

STEVEN Hammond not Spreadsheet Phil.

Oh that makes more sense

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:43

Jonathan Lis @jonlis1
Great news that the Chancellor who this afternoon warned of the economic chaos of no-deal has tonight voted for it

When the excoriating annals of Brexit are finally compiled, the historians may excuse May’s xenophobia on account of pathology and Johnson’s nihilism on account of psychopathy, but nothing and nobody will excuse the sheer, unending cowardice of Philip Hammond

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 20:44

Would now not be a good time for labour to do a vote of no confidence? Save us a week of waiting for WA mach 3?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:44

The EU are supporting May's position.

I think that's the easiest way of putting it.

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wherearemychickens · 13/03/2019 20:44

Where can you find how your MP voted?