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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:27

She's pulling another fast one ! Shock

Faisal Islam@faisalislam

Amazingly the PM read out a statement that implies she had won her own motion which had effectively just been defeated, twice -

referring to No Deal having been ruled out ONLY for 29 March 2019

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/03/2019 20:27

Hang on, hang On, hang on....TM voted for No deal?

I thought she voted against and then for. A bit like matched betting. She must be a MNetter.

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 20:28

So...the erg now have to vote for TMs WA if it gets a 3rd reading?

HazardGhost · 13/03/2019 20:28

I'm lost...

House is against no deal? A so called managed no deal was a no?

About right?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 20:29

John Healey (Lab) says that they aren't seeking to reopen the WA but are looking ahead to making a deal.
If that's the case, why are they opposing the WA?

mrslaughan · 13/03/2019 20:29

@Runningintothesunset - yes your right! Sorry

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 20:29

I'll say it again...grieve is a twat

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:30

So Spelman voted FOR her amendment. Then absentained from the main vote with her amendment.

Go figure.

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Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 20:30

Tobias Ellwood is the MP who tried to treat PC Keith Palmer and save his life, isn't he? He deserves massive credit for that alone.

MyNameIsArthur · 13/03/2019 20:30

Why does the govt think it is democratic to keep having votes on her deal while at the same time think it is undemocratic to have a second referendum?

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:31

I can't see the ERG voting for her WA on its third outing. Maybe a few of them will but the majority will focus on running down the clock.

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:31

ffs we are not going to get an extension

Runningintothesunset · 13/03/2019 20:31

@butterymuffin - no, he voted against the whip. So he voted against no deal

Too many negatives floating around to keep track of what is for and against

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:31

Grieve voted FOR Spelman and the main amendment.

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:31

I always think Tobias Ellwood has the most beautiful name.

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:32

Tobias Elwood seems all right. For a Tory. Yes he did try to save the policeman's life

EweSurname · 13/03/2019 20:32

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
Minister texts: in the end only Sarah Newton resigned. Will May sack those who abstained?
@GeorgeFreemanMP
&
@Sandbach
think they shouldn’t have to quit jobs given the govt were offering a free vote to the last minute

yolofish · 13/03/2019 20:32

oh dear god my head aches and I really dont understand... why does no one have the balls to table a motion calling for revoke?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:32

Tobias Ellwood is the MP who tried to treat PC Keith Palmer and save his life, isn't he?

Yes. Ex army.

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EweSurname · 13/03/2019 20:33

Alex Wickham
@alexwickham
ERG MPs starting to indicate they will vote for the deal at MV3

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/03/2019 20:33

Why does the govt think it is democratic to keep having votes on her deal while at the same time think it is undemocratic to have a second referendum?

And that's exactly what I want to know too.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:33

Adam Boulton doesn't think May is going to sack anyone.

cherin · 13/03/2019 20:33

Gove and Hammond conveniently abstained...

TheMostBoringPersonEver · 13/03/2019 20:33

Afolami - wish he would be fired!

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:33

The EU Commission is still pushing the WA:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/mps-have-voted-to-reject-a-no-deal-for-good-but-its-still?

A European Commission Spokesperson said:

"We take note of the votes in the House of Commons this evening.
There are only two ways to leave the EU: with or without a deal.
The EU is prepared for both.

"To take no deal off the table, it is not enough to vote against no deal - you have to agree to a deal.

We have agreed a deal with the Prime Minister and the EU is ready to sign it."