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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:20

She can't sack her chancellor !!

Only a very strong PM can get away with that

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:20

Bit different if Philip Hammond to Stephen

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:20

Tory Rebels for main motion

Bebb, Benyon, Boles, Clarke, Djanogly, Freeman, Greening, Grieve, Gymiah, Lee, Letwin, Masterton, Newton, Pawsey, Sandbach, Soames, Vaizey

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Runningintothesunset · 13/03/2019 20:21

BBC reporting they were told they could keep their jobs if they abstained rather than voted against the whip. Would be a hell of a sacking / resignation list!

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:21

Oh wait, it's Stephen Hammond

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:22

Stephen Hammond, not so big

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:22

Labour who voted FOR no deal
Hoey and Hepburn

DUP and Hermon all voted with the Government

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 13/03/2019 20:22

Sacking Hammond seems like the obvious next step in this complete farce. I wouldn’t rule anything out these days.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:23

Oh yes Steven Hammond I see.

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:23

Actually Pesty You may be right

If she's that eager to have her place in the history books, sacking her chancellor on Budget Day would be one sure way to do it ! 😂

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 20:24

[Cooper] Jeapodised friendly voices in government

I get that, but then Tory Remainers have made noises about rebelling before and then caved in to the frankly credibility-free assurances given by May. So 'friendly voices' haven't necessarily buttered any parsnips in the past. I can see why you'd want to take this vote all the way.

mrslaughan · 13/03/2019 20:24

I know Hammond - but not Greive - that disappoints me.
Pleased Gauke finally grew a pair

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 20:24

Stephen Hammond.

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 20:24

DUP must be worried about no deal after what was reported today, surely?

Holidayshopping · 13/03/2019 20:24

So how many more meaningless votes do we have to go through?

Is it best of three?!

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:24

Abstentions

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:24

Oh, she'll have to do something else for the history books

ok, then Guiness book of records as the most embarassing PM ever

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 20:25

May will have her place in the history books all right. Students on history modules in 2050 will have a hard time believing it all actually happened this way, but it'll be there..

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:25

Stephen Hammond

Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea
Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 20:25

She might get more votes for WA now. Who knows?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:26

The Spelman Tory rebels were

Bebb, Clarke, Greening, Grieve, Gymiah, Lee, Sandbach, Spelman(!), Vaizey

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Runningintothesunset · 13/03/2019 20:26

Grieve rebelled completely rather than abstained didn’t he @mrslaughan ?

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:26

Why does someone not just table a revoke amendment?

EweSurname · 13/03/2019 20:27

Benjamin Kentish
@BenKentish
Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 20:27

Did Grieve vote to keep No Deal on the table then? That is disappointing.