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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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Random18 · 13/03/2019 20:01

Can Bercow stop a 3 rd vote for deal?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:02

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
May confirms vote on delaying tomorrow, for 'short technical extension' - that she says only likely to be on offer if there is a deal in place - so if house wont back her then long extension with euroepan parliament elections is coming

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FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:02

Meaningful Vote III

How oxymoronic is that! It never seems to be meaningful enough.

L1minal · 13/03/2019 20:02

Timbo Spoons and his Magic Brexit Pantaloons

Autumn that has made me laugh uncontrollably - thank you so much on this day of utter madness.

TatianaLarina · 13/03/2019 20:02

May had to vote for No Deal. I didn’t believe she wouldn’t - otherwise she would have to explain the marshalling of ££££ resources for No Deal, for something she didn’t personally support.

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 20:03

MV3 should not be allowed to be presented before the house.

It's in total contravention of parliamentary rules.

I imagine bercow will not allow it.

Peregrina · 13/03/2019 20:04

The implication of the PM’s short statement is that she will put meaningful vote III to the Commons before next week’s European Council summit.

Wasn't Bercow going to rule on whether a substantially unamended motion could be put forward again? To add to this, Barnier and Co have basically said, no more negotiation - the deal on the table is the deal.

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 20:04

Yuk, Farage on BBC. I find him even more odious than JRM and that's saying something.

TatianaLarina · 13/03/2019 20:04

In addition ‘No Deal is better than a bad deal’ she said, well her bad deal has gone south so No Deal is her only option unless she wants to prove herself, again, indisputably, a liar.

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:04

Is it bad that I'd quite like to cuddle And Ian Blackford?

mrslaughan · 13/03/2019 20:05

I will say TM looks terrible- only just holding it together emotionally and physically

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:05

Rogue And in my post above

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:06

Womens institute debate, love you Ken Clarke

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/03/2019 20:06

So a second Referendum is not on because will of the people but MV is on because it suits TM?

TatianaLarina · 13/03/2019 20:06

I will say TM looks terrible- only just holding it together emotionally and physically

So she bloody should. You can’t wreak this kind of havoc on a country with no consequences.

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 20:07

How is Farage allowed to try to persuade foreign governments to use a veto against the U.K. Parliament? Isn't that treason?!

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:07

Why do the HoC keep holding crucial votes during my gym classes Confused

and why hasn't May's brain exploded in the HoC 🤯

I'll probably have to explain this at work tomorrow and I don't know where to start

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:07

Parliament have tried to do a bit of that much loved 'taking back control' tonight.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:07

Result of tonight's vote seems to be

Meaningful vote IiI
If that passes request for short technical extension

If that fails
Request for a long extension which means EP elections.
Reason for request will, imo have to be a PV.

Can't think of alternatives based on what May's said.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 20:08

I'm still on parliament tv.

MissMalice · 13/03/2019 20:09

Top tweet - @JimMFelton “She whipped against her own position from yesterday and still lost. Theresa May now so weak she can’t even defeat Theresa May.” Grin

Whisky2014 · 13/03/2019 20:09

Hang on, hang On, hang on....TM voted for No deal?

Belindabelle · 13/03/2019 20:09

What did Y Cooper do wrong?

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 20:09

How is Farage allowed to try to persuade foreign governments to use a veto against the U.K. Parliament? Isn't that treason?!

Bastard. Illegal dark money in first referendum, saying he will leave UK to live in Germany if Brexit messes up economy and now this.

Total treasonous bastard.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 20:10

Bercow has amazing stamina!