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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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ContinuityError · 13/03/2019 20:10

Zombies don't die and Brexit is a Zombie

Shoot down a Zombie enough times and it dies.

Far too much time spent playing Doom.

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:10

Any future series of Yes Prime Minister would be totally superfluous

Every country does stupid every now and then.
Unfortunately, now it's our turn to be tutted over by the rest of the world

I wish this would just stop

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:10

What did Y Cooper do wrong?

Jeapodised friendly voices in government.

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prettybird · 13/03/2019 20:10

Government motion including the date 30th June means that they are deliberately wanting to force no further extension (= No Deal) - or that they want the EU to refuse it I'd we don't agree to hold EP elections. Confused

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 20:11

Love that tweet!

TM voted for no deal after her own proposal was amended unexpectedly, thanks to Yvette Cooper' s motion.

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 20:11

the remain cabinet voices might now have to go if they follow protocol

May doesn't have the power to sack anyone. In their shoes I would stay put and to hell with it.

Holidayshopping · 13/03/2019 20:12

Did TM vote for No Deal? I haven’t seen that on the news?

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 20:12

Can Bercow revoke? Grin

Icantreachthepretzels · 13/03/2019 20:12

I got so behind on this thread! reading page 16 was a nail biter - I knew the result would already be at the bottom!

I hope she isn't allowed a MV 3 as - to quote herself - 'nothing has changed.'

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:15

Can Bercow revoke?
no , but he can offer professional advice on how to get there

BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:15

Nick Gutteridgee@nick*_gutteridge

Reality is that whether to give UK an extension, how long for and under what conditions will be largely decided by the cohort of around 10 MS with a significant interest in Brexit.

The others will go along with what they decide because they’re not really that fussed either way.

< so long as Banks / Farage haven't nobbled them >

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 20:16

I have a friend in Nigeria atm and she said it is embarrassing how much they are openly laughing at us.

Just one of the countries we want to make a load of new trade deals with Hmm

Peregrina · 13/03/2019 20:16

I thought that Bercow didn't allow Spelman to pull her amendment, so someone had to take it forward/

Flowerplower · 13/03/2019 20:17

So the government have completely wasted the £4 billion pounds that Liz Truss was bragging earlier about spending to prepare for no deal. Wish we had given that to the NHS!

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:17

Ross Kempsall @rosskempsell
Govt ministers who broke 3 line whip to abstain on main motion

Afolami
Buckland
Burt
Clark
Ellwood
Gauke
Harrington
Hammond
James
Mundell
Rudd
Perry

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Yamayo · 13/03/2019 20:17

Ed! I feel strangely nostalgic...

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:17

HAMMOND

May defo won't sack anyone.

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BigChocFrenzy · 13/03/2019 20:18

David Allen Greenn@davidallengreen*

Those Brexiteers seeking an extension veto from Italy, Poland or Hungary...

...also contend they are against any European interference in UK politics Hmm
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Nick Gutteridgee@nick*_gutteridge

Also shows misunderstanding of how EU works that has blighted UK throughout talks.

MS only get a few chances a year to go against the grain & get away with it.

None of these 3 (or anyone else except IE) is going to use that political capital on Brexit.
They have other priorities.

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:19

Hammond that's big

Rudd was expected

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:19

Peregrina no they didn't have to move it. It was up to everyone who signed not to.

prettybird · 13/03/2019 20:19

It's still called the Spelman Amendment - even though she tried to pull it Confused - as the Speaker said the debate had already started so ions of the other signatories could move it, which Yvette Cooper duly did. Smile

tobee · 13/03/2019 20:19

Philip or Stephen Hammond abstain?

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 20:19

Hammond. That's a biggie!

Amoregentlemanlikemanner · 13/03/2019 20:20

thank you red tooth brush

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 20:20

Actually, it is May. She could sack her Chancellor on budget day. Unconventional but not out of character.