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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:55

Oh dear, we might have to take part in EP elections

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 19:55

Any Fragile trust is totally and utterly shattered. Our prime minister is a LIAR and totally untrustworthy. She betrayed parliament tonight.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 13/03/2019 19:56

Brexit is fcked*

Good. Fuck Brexit.

And do have the conviction to spell Fuck instead of hiding behind asterisks.

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 19:56

Corbyn is starting to make sense.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2019 19:56

and JC is a wanker.

Apileofballyhoo · 13/03/2019 19:57

I remember saying to DH back in January that the only majority in the house was for a soft Brexit. Still the case, I'd say.

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:57

Zombies don't die and Brexit is a Zombie

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 19:57

JC just said People's Vote. I've booked a coach to the march - here's hoping it might actually make a difference Wine

TalkinPaece · 13/03/2019 19:57

ffs

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:57

There was an amendment which was stronger than May's free vote motion (Spelman). May didn't like it and told Spelman to drop it. She did try but the speaker said no. Tory Cabinet ministers were unhappy because the stronger amendment put them in a position where they either had to vote FOR no deal or potentially resign because May would whip and try and block Spelman by abandoning her free vote.

And that's what's ended up happening.

Hence why Tory Remainers are pissed at Cooper as they think they have just shot themselves completely in the foot as the remain cabinet voices might now have to go if they follow protocol.

In theory they don't have to follow protocol and might try and force May to sack them instead.

We wait to see if they resign or are sacked. Or if May does nothing.

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MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2019 19:57

I am Shock at it all

Love his special orderrrr voice

Peregrina · 13/03/2019 19:57

The win by 4 votes got me excited then the latest happenings remind me that this is one battle in an ongoing fight, and the fight isn't over yet.

So presumably Theresa May yesterday believed that her deal was a good one, and voted for it. Does she now think it wasn't good, since she has voted for No Deal? She has also been caught out lying yet again, but that seems to be par for the course for the Tories these days.

TiddleTaddleTat · 13/03/2019 19:57

Ok then - Brexit is fucked!

ContinuityError · 13/03/2019 19:58

Jess Phillips was fabulous this evening - and Anna Soubry backed her as well.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/03/2019 19:58

Me and dh watching JC
she should have done 2 years ago
He has a point there
labour have set out a clear and feasible plan
Aaaannnnnddd he's lost it

Quotes may be slightly incorrect. May have been sensible rather than feasible.

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 19:58

He's also said cross party cooperation, potential Norway, customs union etc
He's not wrong.
TM has fucked up royally and she can't take the country with her.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:59

BBC saying that the Tory abstainers will be keeping their jobs. Who knows.

mrslaughan · 13/03/2019 19:59

I think the cabinet ministers probably abstained in the hope they will be able to stay?

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:59

Sam Coates Times @samcoatestimes
The (4?) Cabinet ministers who abstained on the motion will not resign and will proactively have to be sacked by Thersa May over the vote

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Random18 · 13/03/2019 19:59

So sounds as if they get to keep their jobs if they abstained!

Cloudtree · 13/03/2019 20:00

We're going to crash out. Yvette cooper (who I like) has caused a significant problem. The PM will now just dig in her heels and we will crash out.

Yamayo · 13/03/2019 20:00

It was supposed to be a free vote.

It's the future of the country.

They should be able to get past party politics and act like grownups.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 20:00

Theo Usherwood @theousherwood
The implication of the PM’s short statement is that she will put meaningful vote III to the Commons before next week’s European Council summit.

If they don’t vote for it, then she will have to go to the council and ask for a much longer extension.

Assumption of asking for a longer extension is therefore a second ref I guess.

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Peregrina · 13/03/2019 20:01

Zombies don't die and Brexit is a Zombie

Not quite true - Zombies are already dead, so can't be killed, (as people who ever worked on Unix computer systems will know.)

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 20:01

Yes, but I like that he said it, and didn't try to bring up a general election. I don't watch these very often, and it felt like a shift in position.