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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:37

I think that when the EU sees how close the No Deal vote was they will be even less likely to offer us an extension!

I'm sure some voted to "keep it on the table" completely understanding negotiations are over and I suspect that is exactly what the EU will fear.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:37

It's v close Chardonnay but considering people weren't expecting a govt defeat i'm okay with that!

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 13/03/2019 19:37

Malthouse was the managed no deal crap. They voted against. A lot of abstentions though.

DivisionBell · 13/03/2019 19:38

God, JRM makes my skin crawl.

Parker231 · 13/03/2019 19:38

Spellman vote is apparently not a legally binding decision and doesn’t rule out a no deal Brexit.

ContinuityError · 13/03/2019 19:38

Is it just me or is Mogg sounding a bit desperate right now on the BBC?

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 13/03/2019 19:38

Looks like the government are going to whip against their motion, so no longer a free vote.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:38

The last vote is the main motion (to stop no deal) as amended (by Spelman amendment).

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AutumnCrow · 13/03/2019 19:38

She's going to whip on a free vote? She's lost control now.

Jacob RM is calling his own Party full of 'nonsense'.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:38

I really feel that the backbench MP for North East Somerset gets far too much media attention.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 13/03/2019 19:39

PMK. Fucking hell, a thread or two a day. Lucky I never have anything worthwhile to contribute Grin

MissMalice · 13/03/2019 19:39

Kind of, OhLook, but can’t understand why the numbers would be different for this vote than for amendment A.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 13/03/2019 19:39

*completely NOT understanding negotiations are over (and thus expecting more)

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:39

Looks like the government are going to whip against their motion, so no longer a free vote.

Cos they don't like Spelman that much!!!

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dontcallmelen · 13/03/2019 19:39

I just so wish, that when they trot out the 17million votes the interviewer would counter, what about the 16million that didn’t it makes me so cross.

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:40

A whipped free vote, hmm interesting

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:40

WTF - the govt are now whipping against the motion??!

Random18 · 13/03/2019 19:40

I hope the brave tories don’t have a wobble now.

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 19:40

but can’t understand why the numbers would be different for this vote than for amendment A

They shouldn't be!

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SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:40

Oh FFS.

wherearemychickens · 13/03/2019 19:41

I am glued to this thread, Twitter, and the Parliament channel. Bloody hell.

littlebillie · 13/03/2019 19:41

Rhys Mogg 🙄

wherearemychickens · 13/03/2019 19:41

If Spelman got through despite being whipped, presumably the amended motion is going to get through despite being whipped?

Random18 · 13/03/2019 19:41

Surely if she loses this vote it’s the end of Brexit?

She should Revoke and then resign? I can only hope

CordeliaEarhart · 13/03/2019 19:41

Isn't JRM talking bloody nonsense anyway? Parliament can repeal or amend legislation to essentially revoke A50. Parliament have said no to No Deal despite the whip so surely this means Parliament is likely to repeal/amend legislation as necessary to avoid it?