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Westminstenders: Are we nearly there yet?

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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 10:01

May went to Strasbourg to improve the WA. She claimed to have won 'legally binding' assurances which mean we can't be trapped in the backstop.

Despite the claim of 'legally binding' it seems that this isn't true. It reduces the risk of being trapped but does not eliminate it.

The whole thing is just political theatre designed to give Brexiteers the opportunity to climb down and support May's deal. Whether that will happen remains to seen.

The right wing press has largely been supportive of May this morning but the ERG were scathing last night which doesn't bode well.

For May to pass the deal she needs the DUP to effectively trigger dominoes of support. If she fails to get that it's highly unlikely it will pass.

In order to pass the deal May needs an extra 116 votes compared to last time. This breaks down to roughly 10 DUP, 65 of the ERG, 4 Independents (Field/Hermon /Hopkins/Austin) and 40 Labour.

The Labour MPs won't go for it unless the numbers look tight and the DUP are on board.

We should get a feel for how things are going as the day goes on. I expect more negative comments on it to be expressed as the day goes on.

We might yet see some amendments and curveball thrown into the mix too. However none of those tabled so far this morning look likely to pass (Labour are yet to table anything)

The Cabinet meets at 9.30am. This will give us an idea of how it's played out there.

At 11.15am Barclay faces the Brexit select committee so some more scrutiny there.

The crucial moment is early afternoon before as May opens the debate on the Meaningful Vote. It is expected there will be an Urgent Question tabled to Cox the Attorney General to assess whether his legal advice that the backstop could be a trap, has changed. This is where thing will come into focus and we will get a good idea of whether the deal will pass or how heavy the defeat will be. How heavy it is, is important.

Word is that Cox said no to the validity of May’s 'legally binding assurances' last night and has been pretty much been sent away to 'think about it with a team of lawyers'. Cox has replied this is "Bollocks". But you do have to wonder if this is what May did in the Home Office with her ridiculous court cases and the A50 case. None of which went well for her in court in the end. However Cox did tell The Mail yesterday he would only change his legal advice if the risk of being trapped was 'eliminated' not merely reduced.

If its going badly a No10 damage limitation exercise will be in full swing by about 4pm.

If The Withdrawal Agreement fails by a small amount May might be able to try again. If it fails by a lot we really are into political chaos. May's position might be untenable if the Cabinet withdraw their support. If May stays that's not necessarily going to stave off even greater crisis.

Theresa May looks likely to go for an extension until 23rd May. The EU have more or less agreed to this. But this might be too short to get an alternative plan on the table. And May would be unlikely to be the person to do this anyway as it requires a huge uturn. The 23rd May date is crucial - if the UK doesn't make contingency plans to take part in European Elections its a cliff edge. A deadline of 23rd May is also too short for another referendum.

The only way we get a 2nd ref is to take the option of a longer extension which requires us to take part in European elections, and this is politically unpalatable to many Tories as it endangers Brexit completely.

This is what ERGers need to weigh up. Are they really committed to no deal. If they are not then the WA is perhaps the only way to stop no deal AND the possibility of no brexit.

However the chances of the legislation for European elections and a long extension getting through the Commons looks extremely unlikely too. But who knows where we will be come the end of April.

Thus if the WA fails then the chances of No Deal sky rocket, even if no deal is blocked by Parliament tomorrow. Unless those same MPs are prepared to vote for EP elections further down the line if need be. This might be the only way to truly block no deal. Has this dawned on Tory moderates? And that's what remain moderates and Labour MPs need to weigh up. I don't think the penny has dropped with many. Yet.

The trouble is that the WA problem is really with hardline ERG Tories not moderates nor Labour anyway.

Voting starts at 7pm.

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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:14

The no lobby...

Westminstenders: Are we nearly there yet?
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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:15

Tim Shipman @shippersunbound
Former cabinet minister leaving the Commons says “150-160”. May in big trouble despite DD switching

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Butterymuffin · 12/03/2019 19:16

Can't believe May is still standing up. Maybe she has had some no sugar Red Bull.

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:16

Harry Cole@mrharrycole
Hear govt have got around 225-230

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2019 19:16

I come back from the gym and you've nearly destroyed the govt again.

A General Election ? NOOOOOOO

Snowy111 · 12/03/2019 19:16

Leclerc

The tories have done what comes naturally to them (and is my instinct too). We are in astronomical debt. So we must cut our cloth. The poorest and most vulnerable are suffering. Capitalism and globalisation mean that the rich take the opportunities. People have blamed the EU in a futile attempt to make their lives better. To their credit most MPs are trying to avoid no deal catastrophe. The JRMs are just self serving.

Result is a dogs dinner

Belindabelle · 12/03/2019 19:17

I am supposed to be alcohol free on the run up to my 50th birthday but these are strange times to be living through.

tobee · 12/03/2019 19:17

I keep, for a second, thinking about how Darling Daughter voted ShockGrin

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:17

Paul Waugh@paulwaugh
May has a long statement to read out

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Butterymuffin · 12/03/2019 19:18

Sky: person speaking saying if they were a journalist they'd hang around the HoC late tonight because feelings will run high and as people drink, things will come out. Be interesting to see if any of that shows up on Twitter later.

tobee · 12/03/2019 19:18

D'oh! That people are saying how Darling Daughter is voting

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/03/2019 19:18

I need a wee.

Butterymuffin · 12/03/2019 19:19

'Long statement' = announcing a move for an extension? Resignation speech doesn't seem likely knowing May's M O by now.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2019 19:19

BadKitten Not on the bed again

AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 12/03/2019 19:19

TV is broken

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:19

Nicholas Watt @nicholaswatt
Minister: it is dreadful. Significant numbers. We are in a very difficult position

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TokyoSushi · 12/03/2019 19:19

I'm at non political friends, busily watching my phone, #antisocial

borntobequiet · 12/03/2019 19:20

Yep, cat was retching tonight. Missed the waste paper basket though.

tobee · 12/03/2019 19:20

Still can't see May resigning

BiglyBadgers · 12/03/2019 19:20

I have half a bottle of champagne I can't drink because of meds. 😭

Have to settle for chocolate

Icantreachthepretzels · 12/03/2019 19:20

D'oh! That people are saying how Darling Daughter is voting

whenever I see him abbreviated to DD it throws me. Especially as people are usually saying things like 'DD is such a cock' or 'DD is totally incompetent' or 'DD is thick a mince'. There's always a moment where I Shock Shock and think 'that's a bit harsh about the fruit of your loins'

BambooBoobam · 12/03/2019 19:20

If May has a long statement to read, I hope she includes something about revoking A50 as well...

OhYouBadBadKitten · 12/03/2019 19:21
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RedToothBrush · 12/03/2019 19:21

Reminder it was 202 last time.

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/03/2019 19:21

Mary Creaghh@MaryCreaghMP*

Theresa May in chamber studying papers & avoiding eye contact with Hammond who has a thousand yard stare.

Funereal front bench.