Westminstenders: Here we go again

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Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

I too think a 30% chance of significant disorder, with shortages of food and medicines and civil unrest, that’s with a no deal crash out and poor crisis management. Had a brief and rather British convo with my London dwelling son a few months ago: “You know if it all goes to shit you can come and stay with me” “Thanks Mum”
In my view, even if things are bad, dangerous riots are less likely out in the sticks (though of course shortages might be worse...)

I'm really anxious as to what this week will bring.
borntobequiet I'm semi-rural and glad of it for those reasons.

1 DC, with two degrees and a professional qualification has gone - although it is not entirely Brexit related, with him having been looking for work overseas to broaden his experience for a number of years.
Other DC about to leave, also with a degree and 16 years work experience.

We are stuck here - no Irish or other passports to fall back on, and are drawing pensions.
Thankfully neither DH nor I are on medication. DB not in such a happy position medically.

Thanks Leavers. At least have the grace to own your Leave vote instead of trying to worm your way out of it.

{Thought I might have a go at building a cold frame, there is a pvc window fitting place near where I work , and I might see if I can take a few of the old wooden ones they have removed off their hands, would glass be ok ?}
Sorry, from a couple of pages back.
Normal window glass is only OK for a cold frame if there is no chance of it being broken by accident. It is a health and safety issue rather than the fact it is glass. If you have grown up children and it is well away from risk of damage then it should be OK.
Fitting acrylic rather than glass could be an option, or fitting wire mesh over the glass to prevent someone falling through it another.
Greenhouses and cold frames that are sold now use acrylic or tempered glass (damn regulations!)

I believe that older window glass is more prone to breaking as well.

Returning to the talk of bankruptcies, I wonder how many less scrupulous business owners are planning on ways to extract money from their companies in dubious ways ("doing a Maxwell") under the guise of the admitted chaos (HMRC nowhere near ready) of a no deal ?

As noted in other contexts, the UKs civil court system is straining. When it's crippled with thousands of suits from the big boys, anyone whose employer "goes bust" with their pension is unlikely to be a top priority ....

My children are between teens and early twenties. I've advised them to start looking abroad for the future. They all have possible routes out due to their qualifications and age.

Meanwhile the rest of my family are saying 'experts don't know everything'. ffs

Raab on Sophie Ridge complains that the EU is suggesting a way through the impasse by resurrecting a previously rejected solution and it's up to the EU to come up with a solution"

As dh ranted said, he was disappointed that Sophie didn't challenge him at all harder on that.

Which bit of It. Is. The. UK. Which. Has. Chosen. To. Leave. do the Brexiters do not get? This is a problem of the UK's making It is not up to the EU to come up with the solution.

Any solution they do come up with is only because they are trying to mitigate the damage caused by the UK's thrawness (and guess what, they've been planning and preparing both concepts alien to the Cabinet and especially Grayling ) but No, they don't "need us more than we need them" . But they are not going to compromise the basic principles of the EU just to help the Tory shits Party out of its internecine battles. That would be even more damaging.

I am very strongly encouraging my DCs to learn languages.
I am reluctantly coming round to the idea of Scottish independence. But unfortunately the SNP has wrecked the education system, which bodes badly for the future.

TisILeClerk - older glass was legally thinner - hence why it is more probe to breaking.

Most of the windows in our Victorian house are thin non plate glass: if you look carefully, you can see the ripples and the occasional bubble.

I've just learnt a word Prettybird, 'thrawness' - thank you for that :)

prettybird
I stopped where I did to avoid the risk of mansplaining!
If you really wanted to know I could call a friend who is responsible for glass production in plants all around the world, but that would be getting silly.

If I had DC, my prepping would be on how to get them out of the country at some stage, for better opportunities

I'm currently working on a plan to be in a position to leave the UK in 2-3 years. I could possibly go sooner but it would mean doing work I really don't want to do anymore so I'd only do that if things got really, really impossible here. At the moment I think we'll be alright though DH works at a uni and they have all just been offered voluntary redundancy so that's a bit of a worry.

I really just want to be able to offer dd a better chance if things collapse here so ensuring we can leave in the future is really important to me.

Annoyingly I have Irish great grandparents on both sides but no grandparents.

I'm now on meds after I crashed out a bit the other week (hence not being on here for a while), so that's another minor concern. Not life threatening thankfully, but it'll cause withdrawal issues if I end up suddenly without any which won't be fun for anybody.

Good Scottish word "thrawn"

Although my favourite which I've taught to lots of English people is "thole" - a verb that always requires an object.

It means "to bear something with reluctance " Brexit is not something I've been tholing

There is an ironic symmetry in the situation whereby English people are considering the possibility of fleeing to Ireland.

I have Irish ancestors too. Can you imagine how flabbergasted they would be?

I would see Brexit as a point of significant change. There will be opportunities but to thrive you will have to abandon a cosy 'life plan' you might have worked out and be ready to jump on new things as soon as they appear, or even better, make new things happen.
There will be no real restriction on moving abroad, it just gets more tedious and if it is to Europe you may have to fulfill 3rd country criteria rather than an 'automatic right' as is enjoyed at the moment.

There is an ironic symmetry in the situation whereby English people are considering the possibility of fleeing to Ireland.

The whole thing has a world upside down feel to it. All across the globe, countries - continents almost - that have suffered at the hands of the British are dumbfounded as their colonial oppressor not only jumps from a plane without a parachute, but does so telling the world how loved and respected they are ...

Conflicting pressures

Matt Dathann@matt*dd_athan (Sun)

Jeremy Hunt gives fuel to @peoplesvoteeukk^ campaign by saying that by the end of this week we could be two thirds of the way to a second referendum^
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EXCL: Ian Lavery < party chair > told Jeremy Corbyn in an explosive Shadow Cabinet row on Tuesday:

“If we back a second referendum you will never be Prime Minister."

www.thesun.co.uk/news/8579260/jeremy-corbyn-will-never-be-pm/

Nasty connections. The far right has spread its tentacles widely:

The racist online abuse of Meghan has put royal staff on high alert

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/07/uk/meghan-kate-social-media-gbr-intl/index.html

Britain's royal family is beefing up its social media operation amid a rise in racist online abuse targeting the Duchess of Sussex in the months after the announcement of her pregnancy, sources have told CNN.

Kensington Palace staff are devoting more resources to deleting comments targeting Meghan, and blocking abusive Twitter and Instagram accounts.
Software is being used to filter out the use of the n-word as well as emojis of guns and knives.
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Twenty accounts were responsible for about 70% of the tweets, sharing anti-Meghan hashtags, pictures and memes.
The fact that such a small number of users generated such a large number of the tweets suggests that the accounts were created for the purpose of producing negative content about the duchess, Hope Not Hate said.

The Twitter bios associated with the users typically contained Meghan-related hashtags like #Megxit and #Charlatanduchess,
as well as political hashtags like #Brexit and #MAGA (Make America Great Again), sometimes in combination.

Some of the accounts also shared links to far-right websites and social media pundits

It's an interesting thought that Brexit could be a cloak for Republicanism.

As we've seen Presidents are far easy to install than monarchs.

We really weren't ready psychologically I don't think for the internet and carrying supercomputers in our pockets.

It's an interesting thought that Brexit could be a cloak for Republicanism

I've yet to meet a leaver who isn't firmly monarchist (while complaining that the EU isn't democratic enough of course). As a republican at heart I would be rather amused if brexit led to the downfall of the leavers beloved monarchy.

Thanks Bellini, I may try two waves of carrots in that case. (Waves back to SparklySneakers - it’s good to know who your local Westminsterenders are!)

However, the recent topic of this thread has really hit home. I like our life, I feel as though everything is now sorted and we’re doing well. But would it be selfish to stay here and potentially harm the prospects of my DD? She’s just the right age to move and she already has a basic knowledge of the language of the country that we’re looking at. The only real problem is my lack of language skills and fear of moving to a place where I can’t communicate. So I’m clutching every straw marked ‘revoke’ or ‘PV’ that I see, but I think a very tough decision is looming and I’m scared

Many racists are rightwing and hence many are monarchists
However, to date they just want rid of Meghan, not the monarchy.

Matt Wells@MatthewWells

No serious analyst believes any kind of Brexit will “protect” jobs.
The best you can say is that Corbyn would like Brexit to eliminate slightly fewer jobs than May.

< but Corbyn isn't a serious analyst of anything >
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Pippa Crerar@PippaCrerar

And @jeremycorbyn tells @mirror:

“I left both meetings more certain than ever that we can find a way to work across Parliament to force the Government to back a sensible Brexit plan that protects jobs and more determined to achieve it.”