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Westminstenders: Here we go again

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RedToothBrush · 09/03/2019 18:39

Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

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Songsofexperience · 11/03/2019 14:28

I'd beware of generalisations but I hear what you're saying Mrslaughlan.
There's a sense among some boomers (not all, like my parents and a few lovely people on here) that they've done quite enough raising their kids already and it will be good for them to toughen up. Those same also want to put themselves first and refuse to help on principle, especially if they are in a position to help! I don't know if they think it's tough love or just selfishness. I unfortunately have witnessed it first hand quite a few times. I find it odd. My parents are often criticised by their peers for doing too much.
My gratitude knows no bounds however.

Songsofexperience · 11/03/2019 14:29

And I might add: I will look after them when they need it!

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 14:34

I don’t think that’s true, although I’m sure that’s what the ERG believe. Parliament will always be held responsible for allowing the country to fall out of the EU by accident, it would extreme negligence for which every single MP would be accountable. They do not have a mandate to create a national crisis.

By their (in)actions shall ye know them.

Nothing in any MPs behaviour correlates with that description. The moment the referendum was announced they gave up being MPs and became camp followers.

TatianaLarina · 11/03/2019 14:38

I don’t disagree with the camp follower metaphor but the fact is some MPs are conscientiously committed to avoiding No Deal. They are more than aware they will be held responsible. As to the others - they may be in denial right now, but if the no deal shit hits the fan, they will be forced to face reality fairly quickly.

DarlingNikita · 11/03/2019 14:39

Thanks Red.

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 14:47

Robert Peston@peston
See my highly intellectual discourse with a senior Tory about the Brexit impasse. My contribution is the top one

Westminstenders: Here we go again
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RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 14:50

Laura Kuenssberg@bbclaurak
PM's just had another phone call with Juncker

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
Am told that search for 🐇 from the 🎩 is ongoing.

Still not clear if Strasbourg happens, but both sides seem to say it would be real if it did - not a blame-game gambit.

All that said, hard to see what might be, given last 48 hours.

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RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 14:53

Paul Brand @paulbranditv
PM has just departed Downing Street... but, for where? #eyesonMay

Is this Where's wally or a remake of Priti Patel's resignation where we have a running commentary on every move May makes.

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Songsofexperience · 11/03/2019 14:55

If one follows the brexiteer logic, the only chance to get what they want is a) a final push for no deal and failing that b) a push to revoke/ remain in order to sow divisions from within.
If the EU collapses, the case for Singapore on Thames becomes easier to get across.

RedToothBrush · 11/03/2019 14:55

Jennifer Rankin @jennifermerode
Brexit latest: Theresa May was ready to sign off a text with Jean-Claude Juncker on Sunday night, but was overruled by London, EU ambassadors were told earlier.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2019 14:58

I just emailed a bunch of MPs on the lib dems behest. They wanted me to email telling the MPs to vote down the W.A ... but, as it now looks like they may not even vote on that, that plan was pretty much scuppered.
I did, however, tell them that - should the opportunity ever arise (ha!) they should support the Kyle amendment, they must not vote for a W.A that has not been agreed by the E.U, that if TM pulls the MV she has lied to the house and that risks the government falling - which we do not have time for - and that history will be very unkind to anyone who allowed us to go over the cliff.

If anyone else is interested in just feeling like they are actually doing something besides weeping at the futility of it all the list of MPs were:
Alex Sobel (labour)
Maria Caulfield (cons)
Robert Courts (cons)
Julian Sturdy (cons)
William Wragg (cons)
Derek Thomas (cons)
Anne Main (cons)
and Alex Chalk (cons)

Lib dems think these ones are persuadable.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2019 15:00

by whom in London ?
She's the PM

BigChocFrenzy · 11/03/2019 15:01

Who in London overruled May ?
Cox saying he would refuse to say it was legally binding re what the UK wants ?

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2019 15:06

Who in London overruled May ?

Brenda? (I know she can't but ... who else?)

Or maybe it was a typo - and they meant 'overruled by Moscow'

SparklySneakers · 11/03/2019 15:06

@Icantreachthepretzels Wragg wrote back to me the other day and said not to worry about the GFA as the WA covered it. He totally ignored the fact that the WA didn't get through and is unlikely to. He's well know around here for being a useless invisible prat who still lives with his mum and has no idea.

TatianaLarina · 11/03/2019 15:06

Theresa May was ready to sign off a text with Jean-Claude Juncker on Sunday night, but was overruled by London, EU ambassadors were told earlier.

The one that the got away..

SparklySneakers · 11/03/2019 15:09

@HazardGhost I was in the pharmacy this morning and heard someone I know being told his wife's medication was not available due to manufacturing problems. He said at work they had trouble with epilepsy meds for a while now.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2019 15:12

He's well know around here for being a useless invisible prat who still lives with his mum and has no idea.

Oh dear Grin

he has a funny email address for an MP too. Still - maybe he'll go through the wrong lobby, if he's that useless.

SparklySneakers · 11/03/2019 15:24

[email protected]

Is it this one? That's the one I used and got a response. Proper letter back. His office is up the road from me. My BP goes up whenever I go past.

Icantreachthepretzels · 11/03/2019 15:35

Yes. Everyone else is [email protected] ... and then he's [email protected]

it looks - weirdly unofficial.

Songsofexperience · 11/03/2019 15:36

Laura Kuenssberg
(@bbclaurak)
The PM is now giving a reading from Corinthians at the Commonwealth service in Westminster Abbey - as Jeremy Corbyn awaits her in the House of Commons and Jean Claude Juncker, maybe, waits for in Strasbourg - this is a pretty strange day altogether

How odd!!!!

DarlingNikita · 11/03/2019 15:40

Theresa May was ready to sign off a text with Jean-Claude Juncker on Sunday night, but was overruled by London, EU ambassadors were told earlier.

Who the jeff overruled her?

I know it can't be Betty, but on the other hand NO ONE else can... can they?

bellinisurge · 11/03/2019 15:41

She might have been ready and then someone reminded her of something she needed to remember to pacify one of the loons. So she bottled it. Or changed her mind at the last minute.

DGRossetti · 11/03/2019 15:43

Jennifer Rankin @jennifermerode**

Brexit latest: Theresa May was ready to sign off a text with Jean-Claude Juncker on Sunday night, but was overruled by London, EU ambassadors were told earlier.

That has the clunky sound of translation ... I wonder if it means that she was unable to get cabinet support Hmm.

Ultimately, the PM is free to do whatever they feel like. However, if they can't carry the cabinet, it's pretty much a shortcut to resigning. Given the only thing TM seems to care about more than the Tory party is her leadership of it, I can't see her risking that.

Which is why the current crop of cabinet ministers are clearly still quite happy (whatever they say) with no deal.